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7/16/2015 8:14:48 AM
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What exactly should a relic holder do at Atheon?
I tried to finish Atheon on hm yesterday, couldn't do it. It's amazing so many people don't grab the relic and just start shooting oracles. I want to learn how to do it.
What exactly should a good relic holder do? When teleported is it just kill enemies and cleanse the other 2 players? Or should he kill oracles as well? And back at Atheon? Just put up the bubble on the middle platform and let the other players shoot Atheon?
If anybody could tell me what buttons to use on ps3, that would be great.
Thanks for your help.
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#Destiny
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2 RepliesI teleport grab it, kill enemies, cleanse team, get super, shoot it at an Oracle, cleanse, go through portal, sometimes I shoot a super at atheon while jumping to the middle and he's just standing still, then hold shield and count down times vengeance
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Lots of good advice in here. Big thing is just some practice. Once you use the relic a few times, you will get the feel for it. If your able to, announce to your team that you want to learn it. Hard and easy make no real difference to the relic holder. Practice on easy to make it easier for the other folk perhaps. But finding a good team that will let you learn is a biggie. I'm on ps3 and can help if you need. Psn drexl zenith.
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There are combos to the relic Imo. The R2 is your heavy hit, R1 is light. Typically heavy is your primary means of damaging enemies, and the jump heavy strike knocks enemies back. It also pops bubbles placed on you. A standing heavy strike also can kill an oracle, but a jumping heavy can also do it more reliably. In atheism, typically they highest level should pick it up, and immediately start killing the enemies below. If you double jump, the Vex will be aggroed(they will be aware of your presence) and start to shoot you. In the Venus side, the Minotaur can flash/blink for a moment and dodge your heavy strike. So timing is key in that side. As for the Mars side, as long as you don't "aggro" them before you strike, they should be easy to get rid of Be sure to promptly cleanse your teammates, because the will be blinded and unable to shoot the oracles in time. Once the oracles are gone, exit the portal and head for the middle and start cleansing. You don't wanna wait too long, I've seen too many guardians arrive there before the relic and get blasted by Atheon. In the event your team can't provide the DPSs required to kill the oracles in time, there is an option to avoid a wipe. As long as you take the relic back into the room with Atheon before you die from oracles, you will see the text, but no one will die. Just make sure to cleanse people before they get teleported again.
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5 RepliesEdited by MichaelO26M: 7/16/2015 8:39:03 AMWhen you're teleported, hold square to get the relic as fast as possible, for some noob will grab it before you and ruin everything. If you get teleported to Mars, FIRST THING you do is grab the relic and tell all your fireteam you're in Mars. then, jump down, kill the hobgoblins and wait until you have the bubble-it will show where your grenade usually is. To cleanse, tell them to STICK TOGETHER and put the bubble for 3-4 seconds (until you see "CLEANSED") and repeat every time you have the cleanse. Make sure they're in a close group and not separated- you can't cleanse both at different places. You'll fail. If you get teleported to Venus, grab the relic and announce to your fireteam you're in Venus. Then, ask the people who got teleported with you to throw grenades down the stairs. Then kill the minatour and the hobgoblins and go back to your team for cleanses. [u][i]important:[/i][/u] You shouldn't even look at the oracles, they're not your concern. Although, of you see your team (2 people who got teleported with you) are [u]failing[/u] to kill the oracles, tell someone from outside (who didn't get teleported) to go in the timegate and help you kill the oracles. If you didn't get teleported, stay outside, and KEEP THE GATE OPEN. If they're on Mars- keep the Mars gate open. If they're on Venus- keep the Venus gate open. When you're done with the oracles and you're holding the relic, run as fast as you can to the middle platform and put the bubble in. Make sure you see "time's vengence: [seconds left]" on your screen. It's [u][i]YOUR[/i][/u] job to call our the time- every 5 seconds. You start with about 25 seconds, when the timer is at 20, you say 20 seconds left. When the timer is at 15, you say 15 seconds left. When the timer is at 10, you say 10 seconds left, get ready to leave. When the timer is at 5, say "5 seconds left, everyone LEAVE now!". At the end of that time, the shield will go and if you didn't get out of there you will all die. That's why you give them 10 seconds alert and 5 seconds to put the rest of their mag in and JUMP THE -blam!- OUT OF THERE. He will teleport another 3 a few seconds after the timer runs out- so be ready! If you're not teleported a second time- there will be a bubble on you which you will need to destroy. Shoot it/melee it- [u][b]but not with rockets. You will die.[/b][/u] So that's about it I think.
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When I come out of either Venus or Mars while holding the relic I just drop it, fire off 2 Gally's at Atheon, pick it back up and rinse & repeat until the times vengance runs out. I let everyone else just do their thing because Atheon is so easy to kill these days it should only take One, maybe Two times vengance tops.
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Hold the relic
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Edited by Nix: 7/16/2015 11:25:06 AMActually m8 you can also kills Oracles in Mars or Venus ,,,Mars you have the super of the relic 4 or 5 seconds after killing the enemy use super (one Oracle),,,, at the end of mars you can destroy the last two as well,,,Venus same thing but on Venus its much easier for the last two bc the last two Oracle have like a pillar bellow the jump on pillar smash one down jump the other one smash ,,,jump down cleanse and get out ,,,,now this is what I love to do ,,,,once your out you know you jump to mid right (of course you do) well while in mid air face Atheon with the relic use the super (time your jump tho ,,don't fall) and once you land in mid you like 3 to 5 seconds till Atheon moves again in that time you can use another super, once super timer is on 5 seconds (if you have Titan bubble) tell them to put one around you release cleanse bubble,,jump,,,super once more I usually run relic,,,not because im good at it,, ( im not) but it is really fun to use :D,,,hopes this helps Guardian,,,,, peace
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Michael026M is spot on, if you didn't get teleported you don't need to be in the bubble, stay along the back wall and kill the remaining supplicants and shoot Atheon. That will help out the ones in the middle and keep people from dying. The only people IMO who should be in the bubble are the ones who got teleported because they need the cleanse.
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kill enemies, cleanse oracle shooters, and help kill oracles if needed. The relic holder has to be prepared to step up and do it all if needed.
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When I go in I always reach for the relic..I feel better with it in my hands inside. Call out your location (mars or venus) if mars..run towards hobs..double jump slam (works like death from above foh) should wipe the enemies in one shot. Same thing in venus double jump slam the minotaur kill him first then work the little guys. Try to have set points for cleansing and call it out..make sure they are sticking together. I always help with oracles...theres no reason not to with super and a smash on the low ground ones. When you ger back out you can go middle or in the back and turn on the shield ..if you go in the back, however atheon seems to move a bit more and you have to worry about the sups getting in. Call out when theres 5 seconds left so everyone can safely get out.
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You should only worry about killing the enemys & cleansing inside the portal. If you do your job the other two should be able to take down oracles no problem. Then yeah....go to middle & hold shield
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2 RepliesYou again? Stop trolling the forums.
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get relic.. walk down RIGHT.. R2/RT whatever you see (Jump Smash Wastes Time..).. walk up to team.. cleanse.. wait by portal.. cleanse and leave
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Practice. I used a relic for the first time today. Asked my team if i could get used to it and got it down pretty quick. A good idea is try to find a regular fire team to run it with and have everyone learn how to use it that way no matter who goes in your not screwed
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Also with the clense, dont hold it down while on mars or venus. Just pop it up for a second then let it go. Dont drain it all lol.
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okay, first thing first. the highest level player that gets teleported does more damage with the relic. the relic holder goes running (not jumping not shooting nobody shoots until the oracle spawn) towards the enemie so that you can surprise them. on mars (the brownish enviroment) try to jump when you get close to 2 hobgoblins and R2 in the air to groundsmash 2 enemies, run towards the last one and just R2 him. after that just cleanse your 2 oracle shooters and if you have the special of the relic shoot one oracle down... after this just step out and put up the shield on the little floating island. if you get teleported to venus (it looks like venus you recognize it) you do almost the same, but you don't aim for 2 enemies your first priority is the minotaur. (and also, people now are most likely high levels they don't need to throw grenades cause that gives away your position and -blam!-s up the surprise attack) after the minotaur kill the remaining enemies and go cleans the other members. don't give up if you fail a couple of times. people need to get used to the relic and learn how to do use it.
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2 RepliesWow. All I have to say is my god you noobs suck
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Just don't be a scrub.
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1 ReplyI've seen relic holders who, after eliminating the enemies, cleanse AND help with the Oracles. But that seems risky to me. I once accidentally jumped off the map, so I wouldn't risk it unless you know EXACTLY what you're doing. Nowadays I limit myself to cleansing. Also, when you're in the jungle portal, ask the oracle shooters to help with grenades or whatever they have. It's easier to take out the enemies that way. On the desert portal, however, it's better to slam the Hobgoblins alone, so that they don't pull up their flaming shield thing. Other than that: Cleanse when you're about to go back through the portal. Then run to the middle and deploy bubble, and keep an eye on the countdown. Tell the people to leave at around 5 seconds so nobody is caught jumping when they get imprisoned.
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Good relic holders will communicate to the other 2 team members and tell them to gather together for cleansing. Between cleanses a good relic holder will also help destroy Oracles by either jumping and slashing with at them with R1 or firing off the super to destroy an Oracle in one shot. You also want to leave as soon as possible to maximize Times Vengeance buff to kill Aetheon. When I hold relic I usually kill 2-3 Oracles myself making it easier on whoever got teleported with me. I also give them one final cleanse when there are 2 Oracles left then I run out and make my way to the center platform. I time it so that as soon as they kill the final Oracle I'm on the platform with the shield active so my team can kill him quickly.
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Mars: grab relic, jump and R2 to try n kill hobs and if u miss some use R2 on the ground to kill them. Cleanse your teammates once on the stairs and another time in the middle, I usually like to leave earlier to maximize time for vengeance and everyone to get into position Venus: a bit trickier bc of mino, mino is ur priority to kill before the hobs. If they all look spread out ask a teammate to toss a grenade to at least lower the shields on the mino and use R2 to hit them. Again cleanse once and then another time when ur team is done killing the last few oracles and leave earlier to get into times vengeance position
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Simplest way to use the relic is to run down the stairs and RT all the enemies. Praetorian takes 2 hits everything else is 1 hit. No one should be shooting at the enemies at all. Once all the enemies are dead, go an cleanse your bros and help if you wanna by supering the oracles and go through the portal. Jumping, gliding, blinking, shooting, grenade throwing alerts the enemies in all of destiny. Jump and melee the air (RB or R1)) until you're in front of the door you came into and deploy the cleanse bubble. Titan should put a bubble behind the relic bubble for WoL and unleash hell upon atheon. A really good ace team can kill atheon in 1 portal run but 2 or 3 is normal.
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When you go through the left side just pick it up and walk down the steps don't jump coz you will alert the hobgoblins and use R2 to kill them they won't even know you are there and when you go through on the right side get you're teammates to shoot at the patorian and help you kill him first so you can take care of the rest it's as simple as that
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Most of these guys have explained it, kill enemies, drop relic to shoot if need be, cleanse periodically, leave, bubble at mid, leave at 3-5 seconds, repeat. Only thing I'd add is have teammates throw grenades at the Minotaur on Venus, but throw no grenades on Mars.
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For in the portals, only kill the enemies and cleanse the 2 players, if your on Mars you might be lucky and get all the Hobgoblins in 1 smash attack, if not oh well. Venus is a the same just kill and cleanse. if you can, cleanse your team mates before you go through the portal or straight after you all come through (it's safer before). This way it makes it easier for them to jump onto the platform so they aren't completely blind. as soon as YOU are on the platform put up the bubble (try and be the first to get there). if you don't know your team mates can shoot out of the bubble but no one can shoot into it. There is no need for you to damage atheon your team mates should be doing it and maybe one of them might shoot at the harpies from inside the bubble. Also don't shoot atheon with the relic super, I'd doesn't do enough damage to risk death for you or your team mates, just instantly put up the bubble. Also, your bubble won't run out of energy because of "Time's Vengeance" it also instantly recharges supers and speeds up grenade and melee recharge. But remember it only starts after you kill the last oracle and then it lasts for 30 seconds. Your team mates should hopefully jump out of the bubble with 5 seconds left of "Time's Vengeance" this will allow you to protect them as they leave rather than having the bubble run out because you waited until the end of "Time's Vengeance". Once they have left you are free to leave and go take cover as well. Please don't confuse when I say "bubble" with the Ward of Dawn - Defender Titan super. Also don't use rocket launchers from inside the bubble, you could hit a team mate cause you are all cramped, or there is a glitch when passing through the bubble because it might think that it is trying to go into it and then it will explode halfway through and kill you. As for the buttons to use, I can't remember because I haven't used it in so long, but you can use Google or YouTube to find out. I hope this helped and it wasn't to much of a read.
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Here's what I do (I always use Relic when I'm teleported): First, run down and kill all the ads (additional enemies in case you don't know) by slamming into them from above to kill as many as you can at first (run to the bottom of the stairs and then jump; flying above them from the top of the stairs and then dropping in alerts them sooner, occasionally killing you) and then kill the ones who were too far away. From there, your job is to simply cleanse the other two frequently to let them kill Oracles. You can also use your super or ground slams (on the last two Oracles in left portal) to help if your team gets behind on Oracles. Cleanse quickly before exiting. Once out, run to the center platform and old up your cleanse bubble for your teammates to get into (try not to move at all when it's up); the two Oracle-killers will cleanse there. Keep track of the Time's Vengeance timer and let your team know what it's at. At three seconds, tell them to leave, then jump out last; if you have a Defender, tell them to place a bubble at one second left so your team doesn't have to jump away. A little long, but that's my method in detail.
