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Edited by DAVEG3:
7/9/2015 10:49:53 PM
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Can we agree that Ward of Dawn needs a buff in PVP?
As someone who runs 3 Defender Titans in PVP, Ward of Dawn (AKA Bubble) needs a moderate buff in PVP against other supers. I propose...
[b]After WoD is hit with Nova Bomb it will be destroyed after 3 seconds. [/b]II'm sick of dying to Nova Bomb the moment I pop my Bubble (Even though the Warlock didn't even have Vortex equipped.) Isn't the Bubble supposed to contain the blast? I popped my super first so I should have the advantage. Unlike GG and Arc Blade, WoD has no offensive potential. Its only fair that's it does what it suppose to do, Defend.
[b]Instead of 2 it should take 3 GG shots to destroy the WoD.[/b] It currently takes 2 GG shots to destroy WoD. That's like saying WoD isn't equal to GG, and is only 2/3 as good. Leaves me and the GG user on a fair playing field once both our super are out.
[b]FOH should only be able to both destroy WoD and kill its inhabitants if its used inside the Bubble. [/b]Not outside of it because it was kinda close.
[b]Bladedancer's Razor's Edge perk pierces WoD and takes it down easily.[/b]
[b]Warlock Fire bolt Grenades (Yes not even a super just a grenade) penetrate WoD[/b]
[b]Its the only super that doesn't counter any super, yet is countered by every super. [/b]
[b]Its the only super that can be used by both teams [/b]- I'm not afraid to admit I've left my bubble unattended and ran around with WoL and The Glasshouse, only to return to find that the enemy team had hijacked my bubble and was using it to avoid my teammates fire. (At least they don't also get the buffs)
Edit - To those comparing the fact that other supers can be shut down by other supers, that's an interesting argument, but in WoD's case it has no kill potential like those other offensive supers. All it has, or should have is defense, which in its current state does a very poor job of providing.
Edit 2; For everyone asking me why,.....I run 3 Defender Titans and not a striker, because I simply like the "idea" of being able to play a defensive style and feel it would suite me better. People have different play styles and it would be nice if this game could accommodate those play styles equally. But, it doesn't and that's why I made this post. If this game is really a 10 yr franchise the solution isn't just to use something else and leave something broken because nobody uses it. Using logic found in the replies, If that was the case you mind as well just dismantle your Suros now because it "sucks" and just find another weapon.
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2 RepliesEdited by Calebcsimmons: 7/17/2015 7:51:54 PMI believe NO super should destroy a bubble. The bubble even says "indestructible" In its description. The only way to counter it should be if someone else uses a super inside the bubble Ex: blade dancer walks in, nova bomb inside the bubble, Titan smash inside
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The best idea I've heard is turn it into a shrieker explosion when broken Also I'd like it to stay up on death until it is destroyed. I'd use it more aggressively if I knew it would stay up if I died. I hunker down in it because I want my teammates to be able to use blessings
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2 RepliesBubble no, your melee yes. Overshield on kill is just bad. Should be on hit.
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There should be an upgrade or armor piece that makes ward off dawn do high damage over time to enemies inside.
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2 RepliesWell, I'm not sure what gamemode you play, but if used correctly they can be VERY effective in crucible. Don't use them as soon as you get it. What until it looks like a lot of the players on the enemy team have used their supers, then drop it on a flag your team doesn't have preferably b. it's true that it doesn't fare well against other supers, but by that perspective, neither does arc blade. A blade dancer will loose a melee battle to any other super, and will loose to a defender Titan with armor and helm of saint. It could use some work, like not dying if your bubble is killed by a foh or nova bomb, and arc blade could use work in pve. For the time, try to use it only when other supers arnt being used, and strategically. Good luck guardian
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1 ReplyIf you look at early trailers of Destiny PvP, ward of dawn used to be mobile with its user. Not sure why they removed it or that it made it OP, but I would LOVE to see a perks which allows ward of dawn to be mobile and run around with it.
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[quote]As someone who runs 3 Defender Titans in PVP, Ward of Dawn (AKA Bubble) needs a moderate buff in PVP against other supers. I propose... [b]After WoD is hit with Nova Bomb it will be destroyed after 3 seconds. [/b]II'm sick of dying to Nova Bomb the moment I pop my Bubble (Even though the Warlock didn't even have Vortex equipped.) Isn't the Bubble supposed to contain the blast? I popped my super first so I should have the advantage. Unlike GG and Arc Blade, WoD has no offensive potential. Its only fair that's it does what it suppose to do, Defend. [b]Instead of 2 it should take 3 GG shots to destroy the WoD.[/b] It currently takes 2 GG shots to destroy WoD. That's like saying WoD isn't equal to GG, and is only 2/3 as good. Leaves me and the GG user on a fair playing field once both our super are out. [b]FOH should only be able to both destroy WoD and kill its inhabitants if its used inside the Bubble. [/b]Not outside of it because it was kinda close. [b]Bladedancer's Razor's Edge perk pierces WoD and takes it down easily.[/b] [b]Warlock Fire bolt Grenades (Yes not even a super just a grenade) penetrate WoD[/b] [b]Its the only super that doesn't counter any super, yet is countered by every super. [/b] [b]Its the only super that can be used by both teams [/b]- I'm not afraid to admit I've left my bubble unattended and ran around with WoL and The Glasshouse, only to return to find that the enemy team had hijacked my bubble and was using it to avoid my teammates fire. (At least they don't also get the buffs) Edit - To those comparing the fact that other supers can be shut down by other supers, that's an interesting argument, but in WoD's case it has no kill potential like those other offensive supers. All it has, or should have is defense, which in its current state does a very poor job of providing. Edit 2; For everyone asking me why,.....I run 3 Defender Titans and not a striker, because I simply like the "idea" of being able to play a defensive style and feel it would suite me better. People have different play styles and it would be nice if this game could accommodate those play styles equally. But, it doesn't and that's why I made this post. If this game is really a 10 yr franchise the solution isn't just to use something else and leave something broken because nobody uses it. Using logic found in the replies, If that was the case you mind as well just dismantle your Suros now because it "sucks" and just find another weapon.[/quote] Tbh. If I get killed by a super charge, 75 percent of the time it's nova bomb
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Agreed
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1 ReplyIm sorry but you are asking why a support subclass called DEFENDER has no offensive qualities? Well hello, its to DEFEND! The only real threat to WoD is supers and a WoD generally charges faster than all the other supers so by the time you pop it, there shouldnt be other supers except for the skilled players who got alot of kills or use bad juju and max intellect.. I always find myself popping a bubble and before that bubble ends i have another super. Maybe you just arent using your super wisely?
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Necrobump
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Sure. Though only if BD can make 8 orbs in pve.
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Yes yes and yes
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Keep this thread alive
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I see many have posted similar comments, but i just have to add, NO!! No buff 4 U!!!! Before I even KNEW that supers could destroy bubbles, defender titans were SO ANNOYING!! Putting up god damn bubbles all over the place. The super has to destroy this, and I think it has to kill what's inside, too. It's the risk u take using defender class. And, obviously, this is all up to the individual, but defender was the LAST class I leveled up out of 3 different guardians (warlock, then hunter, then titan) because it is the WORST!! (imo, obviously, opinions may vary). But, 4 me, i never understood anyone trying to rock pvp and just putting up a bubble. When I rock PVP, I want to KILL something!!! Seems lame in general, and should not be allowed in PVP. lol. And, can we get a crucible mode that does NOT allow snipers!!! lol. Give me a Run n' gun game mode, man. I don't want to have to snipe from across the map. Let's get in each other's face and see what's up! And, a sniping defender titan, oh don't even get me started! lol.
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2 RepliesI like your post and arguments. They have weight. I main titan also. ;) striker tho.
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Bump.
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2 RepliesThen don't be an idiot and run striker instead. Titans have the most OP grenades, "unstoppable" super, and shoulder charge. Hey I know, let's just give them, blink, invisibility, immunity to all damage and the ability to add a burn to all primary weapons, no matter what weapon it is!
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2 RepliesI ran into a team spamming bubbles and golden guns. Needless to say this shit does not need a buff. I main defender and you guys just need to stop sucking. It's a great class. A high impact sniper and WOL makes it a one shot anywhere for an aggressive playstyle, plus it's charges your super I fist of havoc'd about 4 bubbles and I smashes them all The shockwave barely hurt them due to all the BOL and AOL and a second after smashing into them another four bubbles popped and I died
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Rock a high impact sniper with weapons on and see if that helps you out
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If you really run 3 defenders and claim that a bubble has no offensive potential... Then you're doing it WRONG
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Make an armor piece that will do significant damage to anyone who steps in the bubble pr doesnt let them come in at all. Also make the bubble absorb any supers that comes in way like 3 gg shots then it destroys, nova bomb destroys the bubble but doesn't do any damage to you unless there is a vortex, grenades can't go through it striker destroys bubble and only the after effects can kill you and bladedancer can't do as much damage in the bubble with armor of light or blessing. I agree with you it needs a buff for pvp. And the bubble needs to be able to damage enemies or just keep them out all together.
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12 RepliesWell guess, what, arc blade can be countered by almost all supers, but you don't hear us complaining. Get over it, the best way to counter a super is with a super
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Edited by bnarsty: 7/10/2015 4:43:10 PMI play 3 Titan and striker Titan is one of the most defensive classes. You can help your team out more by using your fist of havok to counter a blade dancer or gunslinger than popping a bubble. Don't want to tell you how to play the game but defender Titans blow at pvp. They don't even have the two things that redeem Titans in pvp which are the Lightning grenade or shoulder charge...
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1 ReplyWoD is fine, its actually one of the best supers to use in game and one of its advantages is... you can charge your next WoD before your first WoD even runs out. I'm saying this as a WoD user. I like using it over fist of crapic. Rumble? Weapons of light and a handcannon, you will take down people faster than thorn can two shot. Control? Weapons of light your entire team for ultimate advantage, armour of light on control points or pull out a sniper and camp with blessing of light, popping in and out. ToO? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDM0N3Y1mRk Skirmish? Weapons of light, stick together as a team, shoot down enemies before they know what hit them, at the same time as your teammates. WoD is literally one of the best supers in the game, while it doesn't get kills like nova bomb or gg, the point is, it isn't supposed to. WoD is a support super... just like the bow thing in the new hunter subclass which will only guarantee one kill but give your team an advantage over the enemy team.
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Edited by PaperBowser: 7/10/2015 4:26:45 PMI've seen this argument before, and no one ever addresses that Ward gives your teammates a buff. So, when you say that it's only 2/3 as good as Golden Gun, how many of that Gunslinger's teammates now have overshields or are dealing extra damage? None. Defender is a support class. Ward of Dawn is a support super. I think giving 6 players increased damage output is pretty offensive, so is giving 6 players shields before charging into combat. You know what else supports the team? Having an inanimate object waste the other team's super. Any team with three people standing in Ward of Dawn deserves to get wrecked by a Fist of Havoc.
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I can agree with all of this. Much bumpage.
