Okay here it goes. Yes this is a rant/complaint about thorn. Your getting the input on a guy who is on ps4 who has been playing pvp since beta. Currently top 25 In the tracker on ps4. Here's the deal. Thorn. It's getting old, it really is. Going into a ToO match is a joke because literally every fireteam you face are all using thorn. This is a call out on good players. Really guys? For all you top 1,000 players using it. Your a joke. Thorn is a crutch weapon. The average Joes should be the only ones using it against skilled players like us. Skilled players shouldn't roll on crutchs because everyone else is using it period. I've never liked thorn and I never will. HAWKMOON. Anyway. Getting back to thorn. It needs to be nerfed already , it does.. A guy put together a based stat on teams who went flawless with Handcannons. 70% used thorn 22 % used last word, and only 8% used hawkmoon. Really destiny community? We're better then that. We are. Letting one gun rule them all is a joke. I suggest a very good way to smooth thorn out. I know alot of you thorn users are like "but tlw and hawkmoon 2 shot! Don't nerf thorn poison, it will be weak!" Here's a solid solution. Don't nerf the damage, don't nerf the poison. Keep it a 2 shot gun so it keeps up with TLW and Hawkmoon. Nerf the stability or the range. Make it a actual challenging gun to use. Instead of the typical 2 heads shots and run away tactic. Bungie get off your lazy arses and take notice to this already. You nerfed auto rifles because they were the most used weapons in the game for a certain period. Look at thorn. The past 3 weeks trails has been Thorns of Osiris. Fix it.
Before any of you tell me to get gud or call me a blink shotgun noob. Yes I do. I abuse my shotgun. Why? Because I have a better chance blink shotgunnin thorn users close/medium range then I do with hawkmoon. Thorns RoT and the poison overwhelm it sometimes. Don't get me wrong I outgun 80% of thorn users but that's usually when it's a 50 meter + gun fight. I just shouldn't burn out after I outgun thorn users.
Okay here comes the thorn defenders! Let the hate flow.
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Okay I see alot of feelings hurt and people crying cause I made the post and they say I'm whining. I don't speak for myself I speak for alot of the community aswell. Don't think this is just another guy complaining about a weapon he died to. I rarely die to it. I'm speaking out for all the players aswell who have a hard time defending themselves against thorners.
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For alot or you guys who can't read aswell. This isn't a cry about 1v1 thorn users. It's about their not being any diversity in the community anymore. So much toxic aswell from you top players in destiny. It's sad
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Wow we're trending 600 replies! Hit that like button and leave a comment. Bump it so bungie actually truly see's this as a problem.!
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And no this is not a ego Booster. I'm not trying to build up my legacy or polish my sweaty forehead. This was just a post letting the community know there are highly skilled players out there who don't use thorn and do know that it is ridiculous. I salute all you non thorn users. Keep it up!
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I've been known to use Thorn. I don't disagree, it's very easy to use. Hard for me to switch to a different HC after running Thorn because I keep missing. Aim assist is nuts. Range is nuts.
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I hate thorn. I only use it in trials because I know I'll win easier. Hawkmoon all the way now though since I've been flawless on all 3 characters (first time flawless was with hawkmoon)
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2 Replies45135 shotgun kills. Jesus christ
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Just got the thorn last night, had been using hawk moon. Played about 4 crucible games with it, went back to hawk moon. Thanks for the read and I agree.
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I don't personally have any trouble with thorn users. I just pull out TLW if things are getting rough. But there's no doubt that thorn is a gun that is unique in that it can fundamentally change game play. Burning damage from a gun increases shield recharge time. It has send it so takes very little aim to actually hit headshots. And it's a very long range/very powerful gun. Something is wrong with it as far as balance goes. Only top tier players can get by without it and still maintain a 2+ kd in the trials.
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I usually use TLW or icebreaker in ToO its just so much easier using thorn so if we lose 2 rounds off you bet you britches im switching to thorn
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[quote]Okay here it goes. Yes this is a rant/complaint about thorn. Your getting the input on a guy who is on ps4 who has been playing pvp since beta. Currently top 25 In the tracker on ps4. Here's the deal. Thorn. It's getting old, it really is. Going into a ToO match is a joke because literally every fireteam you face are all using thorn. This is a call out on good players. Really guys? For all you top 1,000 players using it. Your a joke. Thorn is a crutch weapon. The average Joes should be the only ones using it against skilled players like us. Skilled players shouldn't roll on crutchs because everyone else is using it period. I've never liked thorn and I never will. HAWKMOON. Anyway. Getting back to thorn. It needs to be nerfed already , it does.. A guy put together a based stat on teams who went flawless with Handcannons. 70% used thorn 22 % used last word, and only 8% used hawkmoon. Really destiny community? We're better then that. We are. Letting one gun rule them all is a joke. I suggest a very good way to smooth thorn out. I know alot of you thorn users are like "but tlw and hawkmoon 2 shot! Don't nerf thorn poison, it will be weak!" Here's a solid solution. Don't nerf the damage, don't nerf the poison. Keep it a 2 shot gun so it keeps up with TLW and Hawkmoon. Nerf the stability or the range. Make it a actual challenging gun to use. Instead of the typical 2 heads shots and run away tactic. Bungie get off your lazy arses and take notice to this already. You nerfed auto rifles because they were the most used weapons in the game for a certain period. Look at thorn. The past 3 weeks trails has been Thorns of Osiris. Fix it. Before any of you tell me to get gud or call me a blink shotgun noob. Yes I do. I abuse my shotgun. Why? Because I have a better chance blink shotgunnin thorn users close/medium range then I do with hawkmoon. Thorns RoT and the poison overwhelm it sometimes. Don't get me wrong I outgun 80% of thorn users but that's usually when it's a 50 meter + gun fight. I just shouldn't burn out after I outgun thorn users. Okay here comes the thorn defenders! Let the hate flow. Edit 1 Okay I see alot of feelings hurt and people crying cause I made the post and they say I'm whining. I don't speak for myself I speak for alot of the community aswell. Don't think this is just another guy complaining about a weapon he died to. I rarely die to it. I'm speaking out for all the players aswell who have a hard time defending themselves against thorners. Edit 2. For alot or you guys who can't read aswell. This isn't a cry about 1v1 thorn users. It's about their not being any diversity in the community anymore. So much toxic aswell from you top players in destiny. It's sad[/quote] I agree but for ToO for the thorn users I use icebreaker because it doesn't have good range
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Red Death or Universal Remote. Let's see who is still standing.
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MIDA/Hawkmoon owns all.
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6 RepliesQuick question for thorn users, send it or perfect balance?
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Buff Auto Rifles Moderately Buff Scout/Pulse Rifles Super Buff Fusion Rifles
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Agreed, sick of thorn
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your medal score is outragous!
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Man if Auto Rifles didn't suck I wouldn't use TLW but until a buff happens I'm using it
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did you make up these stats or use a poll where 22 people voted
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7 RepliesAt least you have to EARN THORN and it takes a while and effort to get it then you got to max it that takes time to so I use my thorn because it took my effort to get it. Yes it needs a nerf but its pretty good and that's why people use it so they can get through the trials . Remember that if you hate thorn just use TLW because that things kills in 3 seconds
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Your right but I would use thorn anyway (if i didn't have Hawkmoon its just too good) because it has the lowest TTK and if your really skilled and using the best weapon then you'll do even better. I really do wish thorn was nerfed though. Its range, RoF, and TTK are way too high.
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Totally agree. I hate using thorn and I'll try to start a match with my hawkmoon, red death or even bad juju. Then I check out the other team and if they all three are using thorn my smile goes away. I equip my thorn and say here we go. It's not fun and it has gotten to be a chore. I wish I could play some games with the weapons I actually like.
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[quote]Okay here it goes. Yes this is a rant/complaint about thorn. Your getting the input on a guy who is on ps4 who has been playing pvp since beta. Currently top 25 In the tracker on ps4. Here's the deal. Thorn. It's getting old, it really is. Going into a ToO match is a joke because literally every fireteam you face are all using thorn. This is a call out on good players. Really guys? For all you top 1,000 players using it. Your a joke. Thorn is a crutch weapon. The average Joes should be the only ones using it against skilled players like us. Skilled players shouldn't roll on crutchs because everyone else is using it period. I've never liked thorn and I never will. HAWKMOON. Anyway. Getting back to thorn. It needs to be nerfed already , it does.. A guy put together a based stat on teams who went flawless with Handcannons. 70% used thorn 22 % used last word, and only 8% used hawkmoon. Really destiny community? We're better then that. We are. Letting one gun rule them all is a joke. I suggest a very good way to smooth thorn out. I know alot of you thorn users are like "but tlw and hawkmoon 2 shot! Don't nerf thorn poison, it will be weak!" Here's a solid solution. Don't nerf the damage, don't nerf the poison. Keep it a 2 shot gun so it keeps up with TLW and Hawkmoon. Nerf the stability or the range. Make it a actual challenging gun to use. Instead of the typical 2 heads shots and run away tactic. Bungie get off your lazy arses and take notice to this already. You nerfed auto rifles because they were the most used weapons in the game for a certain period. Look at thorn. The past 3 weeks trails has been Thorns of Osiris. Fix it. Before any of you tell me to get gud or call me a blink shotgun noob. Yes I do. I abuse my shotgun. Why? Because I have a better chance blink shotgunnin thorn users close/medium range then I do with hawkmoon. Thorns RoT and the poison overwhelm it sometimes. Don't get me wrong I outgun 80% of thorn users but that's usually when it's a 50 meter + gun fight. I just shouldn't burn out after I outgun thorn users. Okay here comes the thorn defenders! Let the hate flow. Edit 1 Okay I see alot of feelings hurt and people crying cause I made the post and they say I'm whining. I don't speak for myself I speak for alot of the community aswell. Don't think this is just another guy complaining about a weapon he died to. I rarely die to it. I'm speaking out for all the players aswell who have a hard time defending themselves against thorners. Edit 2. For alot or you guys who can't read aswell. This isn't a cry about 1v1 thorn users. It's about their not being any diversity in the community anymore. So much toxic aswell from you top players in destiny. It's sad[/quote]no this isn't true I use a Monte Carlo in trials and do perfectly well against thorn I've just gone flawless with no boons first time 2 weeks in a row
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One gun to rule them all, forged by lord saladin in the fires of the iron banner. Instead of going invisible like that shitty ring, you'll be able to piss off thousands of people AND become invincible. Only in the fires of the iron banner can the thorn be unmade, but one does not simply walk into Lord Saladbar's backyard. If such relics were to fall into evil hands, they would be greatly abused. I feel the dark times are upon the crucible! The Men of Gundor and The Rider of Osiris must make allies with the Awoken and Exos to wage war against Lord Saladin! Ok that was just a massive lotr nerdgasm because I just finished reading the series for like the 4th time.
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I used to use Hawkmoon/last word but this trials I switched to thorn and I knew I will never use anything else in pvp again this thing is insane especially when all three are running thorn
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Get good
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2 RepliesIt needs the DoT reduced and the range reduced a little. If it can't 2 shot it's on par with the other exotic primaries.
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I completely agree well said.
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I absolutely agree with you about nerfing the stability and range, keeping the two shot. But... you bitch about Thorn while using Hawkmoon? Really? Hawkmoon doesn't compare to Thorn but it's better than every other weapon in the GAME that isn't Thorn and TLW. It's a beast. 8% of ToO uses it [b]while over 50% of the people can't even access it and it has never been sold by Xur before[/b]. That should tell you it is extremely useful and popular. I agree Thorn is overpowered, but don't pat yourself on the back for using the third best weapon in the game.
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3 RepliesI'm trying to see if you really are skilled, but your account isn't linked