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[quote]Where is MY (me, Beta player, and for PS4 players Alpha players, Day One player and big supporter, where is MY reward for that? The reward that NO ONE else can receive that makes purchasing the $40 expansion and not wasting another $40 for another copy of the game and its expansions that I can't possibly sell back for the same price I payed, worth it.[/quote]
[quote]It's not self entitlement. [/quote]
I don't think you understand the meaning of that word.
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Excuse me while I change it to "OURS" since I speak for many.
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[quote]Where is OUR (us, Beta players, and for PS4 players Alpha players, Day One players and big supporters, where is OUR reward for that? The reward that NO ONE else can receive that makes purchasing the $40 expansion and not wasting another $40 for another copy of the game and its expansions that we can't possibly sell back for the same price we payed, worth it.)[/quote] [quote]It's not self entitlement.[/quote] I still don't think you understand the meaning of that word.
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It has been edited so that my meaning has become more transparent.
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Again it's not self-entitlement in the sense that people on these forums accuse others of (that we all think Bungie ALWAYS owes us something) because I have clearly shown you that Bungie has not given its veteran players much incentive to spend $40 on DLC. They have more or less worked the system to where they are pushing you purchasing the Collectors Edition simply so you can own something. But as far as a reward for having payed more and supported them from the beginning? Nah dude, you can forget about that. This is a matter a price vs value vs loyalty. Not a matter of entitlement.
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[quote]But as far as a reward for having payed more and supported them from the beginning? Nah dude, you can forget about that. [/quote] This is why I don't think you really understand what entitlement means.
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It's absolutely about entitlement, I don't know why that should be such a buzzword. The question is whether or not our claims of entitlement are justified. Forgive me if this comes across as offensive, but the issue of "is it entitlement" seems silly. The real debate lies elsewhere. JayP, whether you meant it that way or not your comments have come across as inflammatory, and Maestro, if you truly believe your case is justified (I for one do) then don't be afraid to call it what it is, a plea for due recompense
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He doesn't get it.
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Alright let me put it easy form for you: Bungie owes it to veteran players some type of reward that is specific to them and them alone. (In other words it cannot be obtained by anyone who purchases the DLC Bundles.) And they should price it in a way that is both fair to them and to the newbies. Which as of now it is not. But I, personally, am not a brat who feels as though the world owes him something all the time. I am still going to be purchasing it whether it be $40, $60 or $100, but I do not feel as though - as of this moment - I will be getting near my money's worth out of it. I feel as though I'd be better selling my hard copy of Destiny and repurchasing the Collectors Edition and then selling the first two DLC codes or giving them away. Just so I can feel as though I have been rewarded for being a loyal fan. (but I shouldn't have to purchase that much to feel that way) As someone who works in an industry that awards their re-occurring customers, I believe that what I am saying is logical.
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[quote]Bungie owes it to veteran players some type of reward that is specific to them and them alone. [/quote] This is basically the definition of entitlement. They don't [i]owe [/i]you anything. You paid money for a game. You received the game in return. They don't [i]owe [/i]you anything further. Maybe it would be good PR. Or even good business. But they don't [i]owe [/i]you anything. Which is why I keep saying you don't really understand the definition of entitlement.
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Entitlement is exactly what it is. The loose form of "self entitlement" that is thrown about like hookers to the streets in this god forsaken forum is NOT what it is.
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The definition of entitlement, is loosely, "the belief that one is inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment." [quote]Where is MY (me, Beta player, and for PS4 players Alpha players, Day One player and big supporter, where is MY reward for that? [/quote] [quote]But as far as a reward for having payed more and supported them from the beginning? Nah dude, you can forget about that.[/quote] You don't deserve a reward for purchasing their product. You paid money, in exchange you received the product you paid for. Believing that you deserve a reward for having paid more or supported them? That's entitlement. You got what you bargained for in exchange for the money.
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[quote]You paid money, in exchange you received the product you paid for. Believing that you deserve a reward for having paid more or supported them? That's entitlement. You got what you bargained for in exchange for the money.[/quote] You know what? You're damn right. That's called entitlement. I am paying Bungie money for a product. So I, as a consumer have the undeniable right to have a problem with their choice of price for said content. And as a community of consumers we have the right to not purchase their product for said content. If I buy at said price - I don't have to be happy about it. If I don't - then it doesn't matter. Either way, if there is no change in content for the current price then it shows how much Bungie really cares for their community. And if you choose to stick up for a company that runs business like that - then I feel bad for you.
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If we paid more than the others, been around longer than others, and played longer than others, its not illogical to want more. Honestly, its stupid home much shit people like you put up with. You are literally killing destiny and the industry as a whole with your shit. They do owe us. We are the customer, and the customer is always right. How do you think CoD died? People like you stood up for the game, it got worse and worse but anyone who spoke out was called 'entitled'. Stop white knighting and take a stand. Criticism fuels improvement, death causes evolution. Unless you want this game, bungie, and most all games to devolve into cash grab bull, you need to push for better.
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[quote]If we paid more than the others, been around longer than others, and played longer than others, its not illogical to want more. [/quote] Being entitled doesn't have to be illogical. It's merely believing you deserve something when in fact, you do not. [quote]Honestly, its stupid home much shit people like you put up with. [/quote] Are you attacking my job, or your belief in that I don't have one? First, ad hominem attacks are always the result of not having a valid argument. Second, I own a professional corporation and happen to be sitting at my desk in my office between appointments. [quote]They do owe us. [/quote] What they owe you is what you paid for. Want to complain about them making a game that lacks content? Sure. Want to complain about them making a game with game-breaking bugs? Fine. But this stupid collector item bullshit is just that. People feeling entitled for silly reasons. [quote]Stop white knighting and take a stand. [/quote] Sorry, if you make stupid arguments, people will point out that stupidity. [quote]Criticism fuels improvement, death causes evolution. Unless you want this game, bungie, and most all games to devolve into cash grab bull, you need to push for better.[/quote] Push for better? Now veterans are going to get emotes? Or maybe an extra shader? That's pushing for better? Is that a -blam!-ing joke? The lack of content in the game is a major problem. The fact that the content they make is so easily completed (always within hours of its release) is a problem. The fact that they are giving exotic emblems, 3 shaders and 3 emotes to new players is not a problem. Unless of course you believe that you are "entitled" to them because you played longer.
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1, at no point did bring up your job, and I don't see how it matters. By you people, I mean people who refuse to hold bungie for there crap. 2, they owe me a fulfilling experience, which they have not delivered. Thus we are no entitled for wanting one. 3, the collected stuff is bull, I agree. I don't want it either. But if you let them get away with this, they won't hesitate to do it with something you do want. If back during expansion one, people raged at bungie, if they stopped standing up for them, then we wouldn't be getting shit like this. Expansions would be longer or at least cost less, collector stuff would be reasonably obtained and priced. One bad apple spoils the bunch, this is no exception.
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1. My apologies. I didn't understand the [quote]stupid home much shit people like you[/quote] 2. That's a complaint about the base game or the xpacks. Do I think they are lacking in content? Actually, I do. But that has nothing to do with people complaining they can't get the emotes or shaders or exotic class items. 3. Pandora's box has been opened. Video games are huge businesses now. The days of small developers making a game and being distributed by a major distributor are essentially over, other than indie games. Look around at the video game world. Who are the major publishers now? How many smaller companies have been bought up or linked up for publishing? That ship sailed years ago.
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1. I don't know where that quote came from, if it is mine then it was a typo. 2. Allow me to refer you to my previous statement. 3. The point isn't getting new devs, its keeping the ones we have from sucking. As consumers, its our job to be quality control on the games. These companies will sell us 30 minute games for full price if we let them. Gamer outrage at shit like this is what keeps companies humble, and forces them to improve games.
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Edited by Gx3Gaming: 6/24/2015 7:14:54 PMAnd I understand that. Again here's the thing: Scenario: You're in front of two people. You're offering the same service. One has another of your services. (Person 1) The other has never purchased from you. (Person 2) You offer Person 2 said service for $100 with 3 amount of bonuses. They say "Cool, what a deal!" You offer Person 1 (who by the way is right there with Person 2) the same offer for $200 OR $90 but you only get one bonus. Now, if I were a consumer I would ask why the hell would I pay double for the same thing the person who's never had a service with you is getting? And why would I think $90 and 1 bonus is a deal vs $100 with 3 bonuses? Would you run your company that way? Especially if your company is known for/has promised to reward their re-occurring customers?
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This is why these comparisons are so bad. You purchased the game some time ago, and you have played over 300 hours. You completely neglected that in your analogy. Here's reality. Once the Taken King goes live, The Dark Below and House of Wolves will have very little value. Complaining that they won't have value then is neglecting all of the value you received from them. I'm sorry you feel like you are "entitled" to more. 1. But you paid for a game. 2. In exchange you received that game. That's life. You weren't promised more. You got exactly what you paid for. If you want to make yourself unhappy based upon your delusional belief that your special and should receive more than you bargained for, that's on you.
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You do realize that even though the value of the first two expansion will go down, that people who purchase the Collector's Edition are receiving double the content we paid more than that for? The Taken King Collector's Edition: Destiny = $20 Expansion 1 = $10 Expansion 2 = $10 Taken King = $40 Total = $80 comes with exclusive content and access to VIP Rewards Veteran Players DLC Only (because why would I repurchase content I own?): Already Purchased: Destiny = $60 Expansion 1 = $20 Expansion 2 = $20 (Still the same price today btw) Taken King = $40 Total = $ $140 access to VIP Rewards (Keep in mind how easy it is for people who have not yet played Destiny to meet the requirements for VIP Rewards)
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[quote]The Taken King Collector's Edition: Destiny = $20 Expansion 1 = $10 Expansion 2 = $10 Taken King = $40 Total = $80 comes with exclusive content and access to VIP Rewards [/quote] I guess that's one way to look at it. [quote]Veteran Players DLC Only (because why would I repurchase content I own?): Already Purchased: Destiny = $60 Expansion 1 = $20 Expansion 2 = $20 (Still the same price today btw) Taken King = $40 Total = $ $140 access to VIP Rewards[/quote] Nope. That's not accurate. Here's a more accurate representation: Veteran Players DLC Only (because why would I repurchase content I own?): Already Purchased: Destiny = $60 Expansion 1 = $20 Expansion 2 = $20 Taken King = $40 Total = $ $140 The value of playing the game for a full year (in your case, 300+ hours) access to VIP Rewards So that total of $140 includes the value you received of playing the game for one year. Which is a value the people that purchase the collector's edition will not receive.
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Except that non-veteran players can easily reach Lv. 30-34 making my grind to reach those levels completely irrelevant.
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[quote]Except that non-veteran players can easily reach Lv. 30-34 making my grind to reach those levels completely irrelevant.[/quote] Welcome to every modern game ever.
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Well I don't have to be happy about it and I certainly shouldn't be reprimanded for feeling like I'm not getting my money's worth. See, now you sound just like Luke Smith.
