No. Everyone whined and complained about Suros, now all auto rifles are useless. Everyone is complaining about Thorn and it will get nerfed, but it won't be just Thorn, it will be all handcannons. Thorn, TLW, Hawkmoon and all the legendarily will get hit. Most likely less range for all the handcannons and DoT will probably be reduced. Then everyone will complain about the next "OP" crucible weapon. Bring auto rifles back to par and you have a good playing field. Pulse rifles are where they should be, handcannons are fine( even thorn), and scout rifles are fine. Shotguns do what they should, one shot at close range. Blink is hard to use, but if you get it down it wrecks and that's why most people hate it, they can't figure out how to use it. So blink shotgun is fine, leave it alone. Matchmaking in Trials should be allowed, but in a separate playlist. There shouldn't be clans going against a team of randoms with no mics. Matchmaking in PoE should be allowed, there really isn't a reason not to. It's a 3 man playlist.

Lately my kd has been 2.0+ . Being Honest , I rarely use thorn and never do in crucible. They can nerf it but it isnt a problem considering Scrubs love it .

Play alot of Pugs/pubs, as a result my KD overall isnt at 2.00 (close, but not quite). However I have a 2.2kd in Trials with a 94% win rate in ToO with around 150 games played. 3 NLB only flawless accomplishments, 2 Mida only flawless and 1 Queensbreakers bow only accomplishment. I used Thorn religiously Prior to its originally Buff, as I was a big fan of HC's and that was my only exotic one, it suffered from painful reload time and low magazine size. I fortunately received Hawkmoon 3 weeks before the buff and from that day (8 Months) never looked back on using thorn, apart from occasionally giving it ago. My thoughts: They over buffed it, I think that should be abundantly clear. - It has far too high range, it competes with snipers and out performs scouts. It consistently 2 shot kills, without RNG (unlike Hawkmoon and TLW) Far easier to 2 shot that red death or the messenger/3LW and the higher ROF will out do them both It can spam the body for easy 'non precision' kills You can use it to duck in and out of cover, knowing full well that regen of health is in your favour. It will trade more than any other weapon, due to the dot, regardless of your skill over the thorn user, or who shot first. There are also people who say 'buff the other weapons' to match it. Problem with buffing other weapons is it increases the overall TTK in the game, which at the moment is keeping it fresh as compared to games such as Call of duty and battlefield, this is an issue, and I'm not sure there is an understanding that this will happen should the other weapons have adjustments, thats poor judgement on behalf of those players. My final point: There are a lot of false calls for Nerfs coming from people who are terrible at the pvp in this game and as a result makes the argument seem invalid. However, if we put this down to with ALL things EQUAL, Thorn beats all guns in this game. What do I mean by all things equal? Player skill and Player level. If you put some one toe to toe with another player (Equally skilled) one with thorn and one with another gun, The Thorn user will at worst trade and at best beat the other player, this isn't balanced. **** **** of course there are exceptions, Hawkmoon lucky proc/tlw proc etc, but RNG is RNG and that can never be helped.

Yes thorn needs a nerf. To fix it reduce dot to 1 per tick so it's a three shot so you can leave the stability, range and fire rate. Then quicken the time to recovery for guardians hit by dot. The advantage you get for simply hitting a guardian and doing I think 42 damage per dot and the length of time to recover is insane and not matched by anything except a warlocks burn grenade ability. Thorn essentially takes a guardian out of the fight for a period of recovery time which is not fair especially in trials.

No it does not need a nerf. Other weapons should be buffed to meet the potency of the Thorn. IMO, a stupidly stable, relatively high impact pulse rifle will beat a Thorn user 9/10. At least this has been my experience. If you can manage getting a Spare Change .25 or a Messenger (doesn't need to be adept), you will murder Thorn users.

Why don't you ask the people who have been to the lighthouse? In pretty much every trials game I've played, I've seen at least 1 thorn and more times than not there is a team of 3 thorns. The logic for nerfing AR's was because they were being overused, so using this same logic then yes it would need to be nerfed... But come September (I think that's when the PS exclusives are available) it will all be about the hawkmoon, that thing looks a beast...