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Edited by Wintr:
6/5/2015 7:51:48 AM
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My issue with Thorn, in Bungie's own words
This is taken from the Bungie Weekly Update, 17th of October, 2014 (The one about the Auto rifle nerfs and various other tweaks)
"According to the notes we published, our work may have resulted in either a slight increase or decrease in the deadliness of your go-to weapon. It’s a safe bet that you’re wondering why. We understand that curiosity.
Let’s talk about why we do these things. I’ve talked to a lot of our developers about the update that went live. The main theme that emerged from every conversation can be summarized like this:
[b]“There should be no single answer for how to win in Destiny.”[/b]
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Balance is not about everyone being equal, but rather that not everybody is doing the exact same thing. If everyone is doing the same exact thing, something is not balanced. Everybody is trying to pursue the same unbalanced thing. "
I would love some discussion as opposed to salty memes and dank Thorn using dissenters.
<3
Edit: #gameofthorns
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3 Repliesyou forgot this: Exotics Exotic Weapons are designed to look, feel, and sound overpowered. At the same time, they are not supposed to break the balance of the game. We hope these weapons challenge the way players think about their loadouts. Exotics will be a constant work in-progress! Looking at this, thorn seems to be working as intended... foces you to think about your loadout, change a bit your game style... but break the balance? Only it you're too proud to take cover...
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64 RepliesThere will always be a weapon thats better than the rest, it always has been and will always be balanced as everyone has access to the same weapons
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14 RepliesI'd just love it if people realised what a small portion of active players is represented in these forums. Bungie know this. If you want actual change based on player feed back etc you need to stop posting here and actually reach out to those who don't come here, as those users outnumber forum users by a huge amount. This place is toxic, full of liars and whingers, no one in their right mind would take 90% of the topics here seriously. But we've done it to ourselves. Perhaps if this place wasn't just used for crap they might listen, but people would rather fill it with buzz feed like posts or pathetic attempts to elevate themselves.
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7 RepliesThe bounty is easy to get and easy to complete...people need to stop crying. It's just a game and the Thorn is incredibly fun to use.
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1 ReplyI've tried to make this point to people before, that by Bungie's standards and past actions, Thorn should/ will be nerfed. All I get in response is hate though.
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4 RepliesBest way to solve the issue... Buff ARs.
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i think they should just buff auto rifles and it will split thorn users in to suros and thorn users making the gun appear less often leading to less of these post. also they should out right buff hardlight so its usable in pvp. really all the exotics should feel usable and on a some what even playing field.
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5 RepliesBring the magazine back down to six. It never needed to be buffed to nine, the only thing that was ever wrong was its horrendous reload time. It's also because of the power vacuum left by Suros getting nerfed (A weapon that used to be the one everyone cried about, but now wants back to glory).
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9 RepliesI think they nerf/buff weapons due to usage rather than forum posts. If that's the case then I don't see a nerf coming. In iron banner last week I did NOT notice an overuse of thorn.id like to see stats of what killed me the most, I genuinely don't think it was thorn. I honestly don't see what all the fuss is about.
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I'm missing one aspect in the current 'Thorn is everywhere' discussion... Etheric light vs shards Casual players are still in need of etheric light. when they get them they use them on armors. Then Iron banner or ToO comes, and they have only exotics at the 365 cap... With the change to special ammo, having a good competitive primary is essential in crucible... so logically, casuals will take their best weapons as primary. and their best weapons at 365 are exotics because shards are easily accessible (and good be stored in advance one upgrade path was known). But that also means their choices are reduced. Give it a few weeks before any weapons buff/nerf because of pretended 'overuse' (I've started checking peoples last games and well... no real overuse of thorn, in line with Vex, red death, or TWL... all exotics) (except if it's a slight buff to autorifles, of course. also note that this may impact the thorn use too, because they could be a worthy mitigation measure for it)
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2 RepliesEdited by Steve_Of_The_O: 6/10/2015 9:40:14 AMWhilst I think the quotation you found is a great reference to use in the discussion of nerfing Thorn. The fact that it's taken from a post about the Suros nerf (The one almost as many people are asking for a rebuff than are asking for a Thorn nerf) should make people think twice about it.
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1 ReplyIf they only nerf thorn, people will use the last word, red death is close to being in the same category but isn't good at close range and isn't good at long range, so it at least has some weaknesses like all other guns and is marginally easier to counter, thorn and the last word are very hard to counter.
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You forget that there's two if you use red death
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4 RepliesIf Thorn gets nerfed what will the little Bitches use then ?
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http://youtu.be/jP8USz7atm This explains thorn and pvp [b]perfectly[/b]
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6 RepliesRanked lvl 5 in IB on all 3 toons. Maybe died from thorn 10 times total. I've used Thorn since Vog days and have lots of skill with headshots... But most of these guys don't. You die way more from shotguns in PvP than anything else. By the way Thorn was already nerfed twice... Once for the poison cut in half and later when all hand cannons were nerfed.
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Edited by ExiledTzar: 6/10/2015 8:59:17 AMExo HCs, cheap shotguns, vex and final round are main problems now. Why final round just doesnt have 'more damage on MINIONS OF DARKNESS' at the end of text? All exo HCs have ttk around 0,4-0,6. Even without DoT thorn ttk is 0,7, vex is about 0,6. Best of autorifles is around 1,0. Problem is obvious. And because of ridiculous head hitboxes/bullet magnetism exo HCs are easiest weapons to use.
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Thorn is not over powered!! You can beat it with other hand cannons and pulse rifles in the game today , the whole reason people think its op is the burn but think about it - the burn from two shots equals about the same amount of damage from a shot so two headshots and the burns "shot" damage is a kill
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5 RepliesMake Thorn's DoT applicable ONLY to headshots. That way, truly skilled and elite PvPers won't really be nerfed at all and the 2 headshot kill is still possible, but everyone else who is using it as a crutch will have to get better if they wanna have the DoT bonus. There it is, Thorn gets slightly less good, but only in the wrong hands.
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5 Repliespeople only whinge because of damage over time... i saw far more TLW or vex than anything else this IB
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This game's PVP is the least balanced mess I've ever played. Nerfing one gun, whether it needs it or not, won't balance PVP.
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4 RepliesBut it's not just one go-to weapon now. We have Thorn, TLW, Vex, Hawkmoon, Red Death, Mida, The Messenger, Oversoul edict and many more.
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Edited by ImRemnant: 6/10/2015 8:24:23 AMWell as I see it destiny is constantly changing, back and forth, so I am sure auto rifles will be buffed somewhat if the outcry is heard enough. Or thorn possibly nerfed, but I would rather see a buff :).
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Honestly, keeping this community happy in terms of balancing seems like a harder job than people make it out to be. PvP balance especially is a delicate subject, and even the slightest changes can rework how we play the game. Truly making everyone happy is a tall order and I don't envy those who have to make the final decisions on weapon/armor and map balancing at Bungie.
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2 RepliesRemember when Suros Regime was the go to weapon? That's what Thorn is today.
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1 Replyu r a -blam!-
