Tell me you are on xbox live.I want to be your friend because you just said my favorite thing of the day.

I don't know. Maybe because some games got way to easy in its sequels. Not just because the the person is a returning player to the series and already good enough to take what the previous dishes out. But also because the game itself just got easier.

I don't hate people for casually playing the games. I hate the developers for dumbing down the games and removing things that made the games unique and challenging just for the casual experience. [spoiler]Looking at you Skyrim.[/spoiler]

I dont hate em i just dont like talking to them

I don't hate casual gamers. I hate the massive amount of casual players on the internet who are complete hypocrites: the kind that are just as abrasive and ignorant as your typical MLG dudebro, but constantly victimize themselves and spam copypasta arguments that were made up by 12 year olds.

It's all about the perception. Most hardcore gamers perceive that casuals want the same items/gear as a hardcore who put in 2 or more times the effort a casual did. Casuals feel like hardcore gamers only seek to demean them with perceived superiority. The 2 rarely mix.

I have nothing against casual gamers, but there is a difference between a hardcore gamer and a casual gamer. A casual gamer enjoys gaming, but it's really a take-it-or-leave-it hobby & they very rarely get engrossed in the game beyond actually playing it. A hardcore gamer sees gaming differently. They see it as more of a passion than a hobby. They don't just play the game, they have ongoing conversations about the game and probably even read books based on the game (or the books the game is based on). A casual gamer beats DAI in 35 hours and says "[i]damn, what a long game[/i]." A hardcore gamer beats DAI in 200 hours and says "[i]now what class should I make my 2nd character[/i]?" It's like a fan vs a diehard fan in sports. A fan watches a baseball game once a week. A diehard fan watches all 162 plus Spring Training & the postseason. Again, I have nothing against casuals (hell, I'm a Destiny casual), but there is a difference in the two.

Because a lot of people are elitists and feel the need to look down on people that either play differently than they do or who don't think that gaming (and the multiplayer) is the be all and end all of existence. Not much more to it than that.

Some morons can't separate casual and bad players. To these halfwits a casual player is a bad player regardless of how good they are at a given game because if they can't put their entire life into it, they aren't good enough. There are those of us that do have a bit of time and put it into our games but don;t class ourselves as "hardcore" because we play to relax. I min/max where it's needed but that's reserved for MMO's where the majority of my time is spent. Some of us have gamed for 30+ years and we have families and jobs now. Life happens some times. Well, life happens for some people.

MLG's are usually pretty big douches. We get it. You can push buttons and whatever. So what if I don't 360 YY ladder-stall off of the top of Rust everyday (o bby a tripl)?

As a general reply to casuals driving down the gaming experience. It's not the casuals, it's the publishers and developers driving down game quality to appeal to a broader market. The so called casuals aren't the problem, money and market appeal are your villains. When video games were a niche market, there was still a lot of creative process lost to accessibility. But it wasn't nearly as bad as it is today. More and more games are becoming like movies. Huge, bloated and extremely expensive. More and more movies are "dumbing down" their content for PG-13 ratings to get the most return on their investments. If your game costs 50+ million to make, you want it in the hands of every singlet console owner out there, from the squeakers to the crusty old folks. Most games deal with this by adding in adjustable difficulty. Certain games that had little appeal outside of a small cult following, generally appeal to "hardcore" gamers and they tend to get all hipstery about it. If say, Dark Souls 3 maintained the current standards of difficulty, but had a huge marketing hype and sold 10 million copies, they would hate it and call it a casual friendly version of the game simply because more people played it. If you want a high quality game with lots of complexity, you will always be able to find them. But if you want that topped with a dash of Michael Bay, expect to get a CoD game. You can't have it both ways. I also disagree with most people's definition of casual. I know I'm a casual gamer and I probably play twice as much as most hardcore folks. I'm probably not as good as they are, but I'm a great deal better than the vast majority of "casual" gamers. I was probably a hardcore-casual for a while. I played WoW like a second job for a while back in 2004-2006. I had to compete for a raid slot, I had to bust my ass on off days to get materials for the raids and I had to keep up my DPS/heals or risk being replaced. I haven't pushed myself to that point again since, but I've never been the weakest link on the team and I don't give up when things get tough either. I've all but given up TV, so games are my primary form of evening entertainment. So in that regard, I do have to play fairly "casually," as I don't need to stress out all night over some boss fight. Sometimes I do however... Aava down at 5 am, 2 repecs later, many middle fingers pointed at screen.

[quote]They hold us back.[/quote] Pretty much this. Because they hold a vast number of sales, companies cater to them and the idea of "easy and accessible" so that they appeal to casuals. In-fact, the whole idea of making a game "everyone can play" is just a fallacy. NOTHING is for everyone. No food, no car, no music is for EVERYONE. So when you try to make something like that, that "anyone can enjoy" it usually just makes it a lot worse for each group. Instead there should be a focus point. so that it's made for a certain group looking for a certain thing. But money talks, so devs don't care about our enjoyment, just their profit.

I'm not sure but I think even casuals hate casuals

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They hold us back.

They don't hate causals they just use it as an insult

Cause they didn't drank dewritos.

Cuz they're filthy