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Edited by Buggy226:
6/3/2015 8:15:22 AM
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Which Problem Is Causing The "Nerf Thorn" Posts?
Which of the above problems is the cause of the "Nerf Thorn" posts.
Edit: Map size is a factor not [b]directly[/b] accounted for in the poll. If you believe that map size is the biggest problem that is causing requests for Thorn nerfs, please select Something Else, and state "Map Size".
Edit 2: I have updated the poll: https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/126915542/0/0
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The necromancer
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1 ReplyWhat do you mean by useless auto rifles
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It's the lingering
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3 RepliesRed death is the best counter imho, two to three bursts and you live and they die, works like a charm against thorn let alone the fact it's a great weapon
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1 ReplyNoobs
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1 ReplyHandcannon have to much punch from a distance nurf there range imo
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A,b,c.
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3 RepliesThat's bull. I use thorn all the time. I'll be the first to tell you its OP as hell. Cmon guys, stop being bias just because you use it. Call a spade a spade.
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8 RepliesPeople were screaming for Thorn nerfs well before the AR nerf. I have a theory about the Thorn taht I posted elsewhere, and the nerfbunnies seemed to ignore it for whatever reason. My theory is simple: most people, when they get hit by the Thorn, freak out. They panic. They see the green on their screen and then make horrible decisions. I saw this playing Trials. I was using Thorn for the handcannon bounty, and because everyone else in trials seemed to be doing well with it. When I hit people, even fellow Thorn users, they would run in any direction they thought would get away from me the quickest, and inevitably they would run into one of my teammates who would finish them off. If people just take a second, and not freak out, let the DoT go away and allow your health to regen, you will be fine. Thorn is not a weapon he should be trying to meet head on with another HC (unless it is the Last Word) or even most primaries. Just keep a level head and you will be fine. Also, most Thorn users seem to play aggressively with that weapon, probably because they expect their enemy combatents to be in full blown panic mode. I had some nice shotgun kills because a Thorn user would hit me, rush me, and come around a corner blind instead of taking caution, and watching where the DoT was directing them to me.
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The thing that is causing Thorn problems is that not everybody has one. I could make a joke; but if it work use it.
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E: Something Else Excessive nerfing. Nerfing really should be done as a last resort and with clear communication as to why and how it is expected to effect the game. My impression from Bungie is they make some weapons worse just to bring them down without thinking what said weapon's purpose is. I also think they hit entire categories too much just because of two or three weapons.
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1 ReplyI have a thorn, two shots and forget em. Lingering damage does the rest. Even better with my warlock, sun bolt/thorn combo, one and done. As fun as it is to use, it is a little too powerful, especially when more then one person is using it on your team. That is not to say lack of skill and panic onset by the green screen don't have anything to do with it though.
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It's not that it's OP. It's not anything but one reason. It is the [i]only[/i] weapon that applies a screen effect to the victim. Therefore it is the most memorable gun to be killed by.
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It's the -blam!-ing poison.
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Thorn is undeniably good. I almost do too well with it. I don't care if it's nerfed or if it stays the same in pvp. As long as it stays the same/buffed in pve I'll be happy.
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I have yet to be killed in PvP simply cause any one weapon repeatedly. And I primarily use my Up for Anything AR. The folks complaining about it are likely unwilling to change their play style to counter the vast amount of players using hand cannons and shotguns. And I don't even consider myself a particularly good PvP gamer.
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Edited by xXXxRMxXXx: 6/4/2015 1:27:34 PMBecause why put one gun in the game that can poison you to death and make it hard enough to where most people dont have it but easy enough to where everyone that loves pvp has it, if they limited thorn to one person a team I truly believe no one would complain about it but try playing again 3+ thorn users. You don't because you leave the game early. Cheers to no match leaving penalties :D Edit. Allowing thorn in the iron banner/ToO/etc but not the casual playlists would help a lot too
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A and C
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1 ReplyRed death kills quicker with almost zero recoil and restores your health on every kill.
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Thorn is OP, but its even more OP When a whole team of guardians use it. THATS what's at the root of those nerf thorn posts: an overabundance of thorn wielders who only use it because they keep hearing its op. Its a shit gun tho. One side uses it an it makes the others have to match.. Takes the fun out of pvp
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2 RepliesDude, I use either a Vex or Suros and unless I get into a gunfight with a Thorn+1, I don't feel the pain as much. Thorn isn't OP, it is just EVERYWHERE.
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2 RepliesEdited by nerf police: 6/3/2015 8:22:13 AMI say this time and time again, I have a thorn, last word and vex, I'm not very good at pvp and these weapons don't make me any better (unfortunately). I have been hit lots of times by the thorn and survived, the PLAYER makes the gun good not the GUN that makes the player good. I watch a lot of pvp twitch streamers and I get the impression that they are bad losers, for example a streamer got killed by a Titans spike grenade, straight away he started moaning about it being "op", it's a god damn grenade, it's supposed to be overpowered. If gets a couple of headshots on you with any type of gun you're gonna bloody die.
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6 RepliesThorn shouldn't be effective in Scout range.
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2 RepliesUseless Auto Rifles. Thorn was actually a stronger weapon back in January and February after its buff...but you didn't hear calls to nerf it back then. Because ARs were effective weapons, and were able to out-DPS anyone with Thorn, who got caught wandering in too close. But now that ARs are broken, there is simply nothing to keep the hand cannons in check.
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1 ReplyA and C
