When playing Sacred Icon right after you deactivate the Containment-Shield and cross the big trench on the platform you are immediately attacked by the flood. At first, nothing about this seemed unusual until I noticed that they were all human flood forms. This is strange because the humans that arrived on In Amber Clad couldn’t have been inside the wall for a long amount of time. Near the end of the level Regret while you are on one of the gondolas, Miranda tells you that she encountered the shield that protects the library and can’t get any closer. She then goes on to say that she will try to find a way around it. The cutscene at the beginning of Sacred Icon takes place soon after regret is killed. You can also see the humans in one part of Sacred Icon, and they are only a few minutes ahead of you. That all leads me to believe that the Humans have only been inside the wall for a short time. In Sacred Icon, you can hear a marine say “Proceed to the objective, we will hold out as long as we can” If you look out one of the windows, you can see a group of humans. This marine was saying he would stay there while the others went for the index. Then you will see him and the other marines get attacked by [b] Human [/b] combat forms. How could there already be human combat forms? Later on in the Sentinel Wall there are rooms with boxes of human helmets and gas masks. I find this very odd; because I don’t think the team that was trying to remove the index would want to weigh themselves down with boxes of extra helmets. They would wan to stay light and fast, not spend their time carrying around bulky boxes. Also in the level Quarantine Zone there are a lot of large human boxes. It just doesn’t make sense, why would you carry dozens of boxes with you when your mission is to get to the index and get out as fast as possible? I have gone through Sacred Icon and Quarantine Zone and done a count of a the boxes. I found: 7 boxes of boots 4 boxes of gas masks 4 large boxes of something for warthogs 8 boxes of helmets 6 boxes of body armor 13 large boxes of food prep stations 2 large boxes of generators about 10 other boxes I can understand items like body armor and helmets but 11 food prep stations? It doesn't take that long to move through the Quarantine Zone, and they couldn't have needed to stop to eat 3-4 times. Also, why do they need generators? I think that this shows that there was something else going on in the quarantine zone. Later in the level you hear a voice that says, “Negative ma’am, they are not covenant.” At First I thought that they were saying that whatever was attacking them(The Flood) was not covenant, But know I’m not so sure. Could he mean that the flood forms that are attacking him are not infected covenant, but something else, maybe humans? In Quarantine Zone when you are on the moving platform you encounter human flood forms when the humans are only a minute a head of you. I'm not entirely sure, but I think it takes more than one minute to turn into a combat form and move to the location of the second platform. In the helljumpers cutscene that plays before the level Delta Halo, you will see that there are several ODST drop pods on the ground before the MC and the first platoon land on Delta Halo. This shows that ODSTs may have been on the surface of Halo before the master chief and the first platoon land on Halo. If these pods had landed only seconds before the MCs as has been suggested the Grunt and Jackal in the helljumpers cutscene would have been more alert. The grunt would have already been in the turret and there would probably be covenant on the ground near the pod. Also later on in the mission is what looks like a cave that has been dug out. In it is a dead ODST. To my knowledge, there was no mention of sending ODSTs ahead of the Master Chief. Why was an ODST so far ahead of the other humans? Since Delta Halo appears to only be a quick jump from earth (see [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=1896312] [color=white] THEORY: Delta Halo is near Earth [/color] [/url]), I think it is very possible that some humans know of its location, most likely ONI. Joseph Staten, Cinematic Director at Bungie has confirmed that ONI knows much more than they let on. My question is, what was ONI doing at Delta Halo? They could be studying the flood, maybe even they thought they could use the flood as a weapon against the covenant. Or maybe they were just stealing Forerunner Technology when the encountered the flood. [color=red] [b] Update [/b] [/color] When I was playing Sacred Icon today when a friend pointed out something a grunt said. He said it sounded like the grunt said "bad cyborg. bad things." I listened my self and thought I heard this also, but I'm really not sure. At first I thought it might be a random line but I managed to reproduce it 10 times in a row, so I think it is scripted. If anyone wants to check for themselves, its after the fourth piston. I'm not sure if thats what the grunt said, so could anyone check it out themselves? I'm probably imagining it. [color=red] [b] Update 2 [/b] [/color] On [url=http://link] this [/url] page the description of Rat Race is [color=white] An asymmetrical map which involves some human mining into one of Halo's hallway system. [/color] I almost completely sure that the humans who arrived on the rings on the POA or IAC didn't have time to mine into the hallway system, so i think this shows that there was another human presence on one of the rings. It doesn't which Halo, so it could be any ring. [color=red] [b] Update 3 [/b] [/color] Now that I have shown that humans could have been on Delta Halo before In Amber Clad arrived, you may want to know what they were doing there. Click [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=2813255] here [/url] for an answer. [Edited on 3/29/2005 5:23:04 PM]