[quote]I see many complaints that the trials are unfair. The reasons being that there are the same weapons consistently being used, the lighthouse is very unattainable, self res isn't fair, and lag switching. Well let's shine the light on true facts Let's start with the weapons: thorn, hawk moon, TLW, and red death are the most commonly used weapons. You're correct they are because objectively speaking they create an unbalance due to the perk based killing system rather than focusing on gunplay. However there are easy counters to this, someone is using hawkmoon? Bait and switch. Someone is using thorn? Strafe. Someone is using TLW? Backup. Red death? Back up and strafe. I have a passionate hatred of the trifecta of exotic hand cannons, I adore true gunplay so it's just a philosophy. That being said every overpowered weapon or armor has a weakness, it's just mind over matter. Next the lighthouse: it's too hard to obtain, I paid for it, therefore I deserve it as well. That's akin to saying, "I paid for the game therefore I should have all weapons and gear at the start." I love PvE and daddle in PvP from time to time, we PvE players have over 10 forms of end game content. PvP? 1 pre HoW now 2. They deserve it. Imagine a world without the internet, how hard would've the VoG or crota been without walk throughs? That's basically what ToO is, an end game raid with no walk through or set strategy. To complain that it's, "too hard" well imagine if you had been one of the first in VoG! It took them [i][u][b]16 hours[/b][/u][/i] to complete it. People went flawless In a matter of hours, I'd say trials is way more fair as you get unlimited attempts and there's a best of 9 with revives enables. Moving onto self res. this is the same as basic crucible, self res is only destructive if you don't expect it or don't counter it properly. I've been victim of being unprepared and unable to finish kills on it, is that unfair? No not at all. I have consistently sniped them on respawn with self res. if your game really comes down to one self res you should've been playing better. When my team lost because a guy self res'd was it the self res that killed us? No. It was my fault as team sniper missing the head shot, the teams failure to clean up the kill, and the teams failure to play defensive again and maintain our lead in the series. It can all be traced back to user error, abilities are useless if you don't know how to use them/you can counter them Finally: lag switching. I hate it, everyone hates it. Known fact. You can't do anything about it [i]however[/i] Deej made a post that the ban hammer is making an appearance in destiny for lag switchers, modders, hackers, and anyone generally abusing the network or in game content with external manipulation. So the best we can do as a community is report them and remain patient. Overall I would say the ToO is more fair than any other form of crucible (less salvage). So to continue to complain is just asinine, just study gameplay or practice harder. Thinking will always win. TL;DR: Trials isn't unbalanced or unfair[/quote] I love how most people here talk about how the lighthouse is for the best when theyve never even seen the lighthouse outside of YouTube step your -blam!-ing game up pussies *self res ftw*

I agree with this completely. Games should be fun or at least entertaining but by the time I got done play this a few time I was about do e with dantiny all together. I have never found my self so angry at a game

Hey you're so right but that doesnt mean anything to the people who cheat. You can try every tatic you can think of to counter but at the end of the day the fact remains those who cheat win. I love playing destiny but if they cant fix their current end game content and prevent cheating whats the point in throwing more money at them?

I started playing trials and me and my team were not good. almost every game we lost in the beginning. We started coming up with strategies and started winning. It was intense, just barely getting the win. Felwinters lie was awful playing against , so we strategize on a counter and won but just barely, the other team was good; most had thorn, my team didn't, and we still won games. I had fun, even losing. Some were bs, like shot gunning three shots with secret handshake only to get one shot from the opponents shot gun at a greater distance. I use red death and try to get the kill against thorn users . It negates the life drain and keeps you in the fight. Tips- Always be prepared (don't think you've won because everyone is dead) Strategize ( kill the one that is carrying the team first) ;) Make sure you use weapons you're good with.( just because the other team uses a certain gun doesn't mean the outcome is going to be the same with you using it) Did I mention I'm a bad pvp player.

Lol at anyone calling it competitive.

I just suck at pvp, still continue to try tho

I just hate wasting hours playing, and walking away with nothing to show. So I'm done. Lol

when people cheat in the way I just witnessed it is not

Great post agreed!

Trials matched on networking... I live in Hawaii and why I am I always getting matched against people in Europe. That's some great matchmaking

Finally some one on the forums makes sense. Bravo ;)