Seriously my vindicator destroys in pve and pvp they are perfect for medium combat took out 4 incoming guardians on control defending my point with ease...
[spoiler]learn to use your environment [/spoiler]
Edit 1 read post before you comment at no point have I referred to myself as a pvp God with a 700 positive kd
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They use to be more effective at longer range, this more important with the high ROF low impact autos. Also realize that not all autos were nerfed equally. Some received almost no nerf while others were nerfed so much that they can't kill a level 2 dreg with an entire magazine. That's why the calls for a buff.