There is a tremendous difference between sitting infront of a television screen and playing halo from actually going outside to play a sport.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DesertPheonix24 The following is taken from the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sports#Electronic_Sports]List of Sports[/url] section in Wikipedia showing that MLG is a sports League. Therefore Halo/MLG is a sport. [quote]Electronic Sports Main article: Electronic Sports Consists of video games programmed with random/real-time physics engine environments. Requires multiple player competition based on a balance of experience, intelligence and hand-eye coordination. The most widely accepted professional electronic sports league is Major League Gaming which events are covered by ESPN. [1][/quote][/quote] Not only is it in Wikipedia (which is the best source for research and citation, as well as instant credibility), but it says sport! Therefore, MLG is totally a sport! [Edited on 11.05.2008 9:03 AM PST]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A H41RY SACK i dont believe its a sport do to the lack of physical movements. However i do think it is a very competitive game that has many people that compete on it... with people who are "professionals"[/quote] Racing is a sport...

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Hypogonadism Actually if you notice anything about all the top players in MLG they are all in decent shape. They aren't fat at all. Some of them make some stupid choices, like Karma who smokes. I never could figure that out, he lost a bunch of weight that would improve his health then he smokes to basically destroy it? I don't think everyone can call MLG a sport. A fair amount of people I see on "teams" don't really have set strategies or that solid of teamwork. For the top teams I'm pretty sure they all put in a lot of effort. Also, note they broadcast the national spelling bee on ESPN. I thought that was a sports network.[/quote] Well, its no different than the pro baseball teams compared to the local sandlot teams. They may have the same players and while all of them are reasonably skilled, the pro team has fantastic strategy and deeper understanding of the game because its their business. You are right though, lots of MLG players including the ones who aren't pro keep themselves in great shape. Ive actually written articles for teams to use to help them keep stress down and preform better by different methods including staying in shape and eating right. It benefits us just as much as your "real athletes".

i like MLG, i like watching it on you-tube and seeing the good game play the pros use, but ever i cant call it a sport

MLG is about as much a sport as Thumb Wars.

Actually if you notice anything about all the top players in MLG they are all in decent shape. They aren't fat at all. Some of them make some stupid choices, like Karma who smokes. I never could figure that out, he lost a bunch of weight that would improve his health then he smokes to basically destroy it? I don't think everyone can call MLG a sport. A fair amount of people I see on "teams" don't really have set strategies or that solid of teamwork. For the top teams I'm pretty sure they all put in a lot of effort. Also, note they broadcast the national spelling bee on ESPN. I thought that was a sports network.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cozza24 the dictionary definition of sport is; sport • noun 1 an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others while mlg does require skill it is not physically exherting. mlg is more of a hobby or pastime that players have become very good in. Similar to that of people who enter model making competitions.[/quote] Depends on your definition of "exetrion". Typing on a keyboard is exerting to a degree. Most of your definitions were written before video gaming was even around. Lets try to keep a modern, open mind here....

The following is taken from the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sports#Electronic_Sports]List of Sports[/url] page in Wikipedia showing that MLG is a sports League. Therefore Halo/MLG is a sport. [quote]Electronic Sports Main article: Electronic Sports Consists of video games programmed with random/real-time physics engine environments. Requires multiple player competition based on a balance of experience, intelligence and hand-eye coordination. The most widely accepted professional electronic sports league is Major League Gaming which events are covered by ESPN. [1][/quote] EDIT: On this page it lists Electronic Sports as a physical sport. [Edited on 11.05.2008 9:04 AM PST]

Posted by: STRAFE THE BK Fat @ss old people who have never ran a mile in their life can play golf perfectly fine. Golf does not deplete any physical energy whatsoever and yet we lazy americans call it a sport. Ohh golf i thought you were describing video games =P

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Rylite [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] KEVINBROCK MLG is just as much of a sport as anything else. Its just that most people seem to not be able to accept that it takes remarkable skills to play at that level. The general populace seems to still connect being good at a video game with being a fat, slobby loser who lives in his mom's basement, which isn't true at all. It takes lots of practice, hard work and raw talent to even be able to play at that level not to mention the touch of luck to get noticed. Most of the people who talk out of their ass have never even watched an event, much less been to or competed in one. Just play with some of the semi-pro or pros, go to an event and then come tell me it isn't a sport. Anyone who would say that is simply ignorant of whats involved.[/quote] Yes, you can be really good at a video game and be considered "pro". Does that make you an athlete? No. DOes that make it a sport? HELL no. Athletes are participants in physically demanding sports. MLG players just sit on their asses and play video games.[/quote] Says who? You? Me? None of us are the authority on what is and is not a sport. Thats pretty damn narrow-minded to read a dictionary definition of something and restrain it within those guidelines. Do you know how many times the definitions of other terms have been changed over the years? Those who say it isn't athletic have no clue what they are talking about. Sure, you may not have to run 6 miles to play Halo, but its far more mentally and emotionally challenging than anything else ive seen at that level. I will agree that MLG and Halo are not currently defined as "sport", however, that does not change anything. MLG is still in its infancy, its only been around since 2004 and in that time its come from 20 people setting up their own TV's in a hotel room on rented tables to 2,000+ people packing out major convention centers and selling out hotels and flights nearly a month before the actual event. Its gone from no real prizes or recognition to 20,000+ dollars for winners. Its come a long way in the last few years, but its biggest step is yet to come. Sure, it still lacks recognition from some communities, but if I don't recognize you as a human being that doesn't mean you aren't one does it? In all honesty, this is a crappy debate because no one is going to win this until people on the outside start getting more involved and open minded. Im no elitist, im not a big part of the MLG community and I only play and watch casually, this is just me speaking from my POV. The rest of the MLG community may have something different to say and so be it. There really can't be a conclusion to this argument at this point.

Yet another booster coming on the forum who feels like trolling. gtfo, thanks.

Suppose a random person asked you "Which sport are you best at ?" What would you answer ? Video games ? Chess ? Basketball ? Soccer ? Golf ? "Sport" is used to describe an athletic competition. This is the way most people see it. MLG is not physical/athletic, but it is a competition. A good analogy to MG is chess. Is Chess a sport ? Chess requires practice, mental toughness, discipline, and intelligence as I am sure MLG does. But there is no physical component in chess (aside from physical endurance during a long match). MLG and chess are not sports. However, they are both games that are extremely competitive, require skill, and practice.

the dictionary definition of sport is; sport • noun 1 an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others while mlg does require skill it is not physically exherting. mlg is more of a hobby or pastime that players have become very good in. Similar to that of people who enter model making competitions.

Because golf requires physical strength, exertion, and stamina, whereas fiddling with a controller does not.

OP, you are correct. Golf is, in fact NOT a sport. It is a game, requiring some skill, some luck, but not much in the way of physical activity - far MORE physical activity than it takes to play a VIDEO GAME, however, which can be played while ON one's fat a@@, no matter your age.

MLG is as much of a sport as chess... Wait a minute, chess is a sport. DAMN IT!

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] KEVINBROCK MLG is just as much of a sport as anything else. Its just that most people seem to not be able to accept that it takes remarkable skills to play at that level. The general populace seems to still connect being good at a video game with being a fat, slobby loser who lives in his mom's basement, which isn't true at all. It takes lots of practice, hard work and raw talent to even be able to play at that level not to mention the touch of luck to get noticed. Most of the people who talk out of their ass have never even watched an event, much less been to or competed in one. Just play with some of the semi-pro or pros, go to an event and then come tell me it isn't a sport. Anyone who would say that is simply ignorant of whats involved.[/quote] Yes, you can be really good at a video game and be considered "pro". Does that make you an athlete? No. DOes that make it a sport? HELL no. Athletes are participants in physically demanding sports. MLG players just sit on their asses and play video games.

It's not a sport... don't question why or why not... just play the game...

[quote]By definition a sport is: "an active diversion requiring physical exertion and competition", and just to clarify, Physical Exertion is: "exercise: the activity of exerting your muscles in various ways to keep fit", so therefore the end definition the MLG must meet to be considered a sport is: "An active diversion requiring exertion of your muscles in various ways to keep fit." In no way does Major League Gaming meet this Definition. -These definitions were aquired from a simple google "Define: Sport" and "Define: Physical Exertion" queries I will exabberate on this point. With MLG, the most physical exertion players will get is with their fingers, this does not qualify as the physical exertion that being a sport requires in the definition of sport. This is quoted straight from the MLG blog which is written by several staff members of MLG - [quote]"No, professional gaming is not a sport. While it's a viable form of competition and, according to some definitions of the word sport, it's easy to define pro gaming as such, the key to distinguishing viable forms of competition, such as competitive gaming and basketball, from sports is athletic activity. While poker, chess and gaming are viable professional, competitive activities they are dissimilar to sports such as basketball and tennis that require physical exertion. By adding this requirement we make the way we talk about things more clearly defined. The fact that gaming is not a "traditional" sport defines it as something else while not taking away at all from what is has in common with a sport. We classify things as specifically as possible in order to clarify discussion." [/quote]that is written by Brick from MLGpro.com. If the staff members of MLG agree it is not a sport, it should not be classified as a sport.[/quote] This explains it all. [[url=http://www.debate.com/debates/MLG-sport-or-not/1/]Source[/url]]

MLG is just as much of a sport as anything else. Its just that most people seem to not be able to accept that it takes remarkable skills to play at that level. The general populace seems to still connect being good at a video game with being a fat, slobby loser who lives in his mom's basement, which isn't true at all. It takes lots of practice, hard work and raw talent to even be able to play at that level not to mention the touch of luck to get noticed. Most of the people who talk out of their ass have never even watched an event, much less been to or competed in one. Just play with some of the semi-pro or pros, go to an event and then come tell me it isn't a sport. Anyone who would say that is simply ignorant of whats involved.

MLG is not a sport, you're a moron for saying it is. Just because people are competative in it, doesn't mean it's a sport. Your logic states that strategy, competition, and skill define a sport. True, but a sport also involves actual physical activty. By your logic, Chess and Checkers could be considered a sport. Golf is considered more a sport because it requires a lot more than sitting down moving your thumbs less than an inch. I bet you think NASCAR is a sport too.

the point is we cant hate. theyre getting money and doing them. getting more money than i am doing fun stuff. they get no hate from me

I bet you have never ever tryed to play golf. You probly can't even hit the ball more then you could kick it. when you out on the course in 90 degre weather with the sun beating down on you and your tring to beat the piss out of this ball to get it down the fair way to get it on a green area thats only about 20 ft around. The only golfer out there that isn't physicaly fit is John Daily. For what i think of him is isn't no golfer. when was the last time he won somthing. As for Tiger Woods he is probly one of the best athelts out there that isn't on drugs or perfomance inhancers. If golf is so easy why don't you go out there and play this game since you don't think its a sport and make a lot of money instead of sitting on your ass all day bashing MLG.

Allow me to define sport: Sport is an active diversion requiring physical exertion and competition, as well as the occupation of athletes who compete for pay. If you are going to call people like Walshy and Snipedown "athletes", then you really need to reconsider your ideas. MLG is not a sport - it is a tournement-styled league that involves game professionals competing for money - not athletes. Oh, and golf is a sport because it involves getting excercise outside (I know there are indoor sports, but...). Where's the excercise from MLG? Finger movements... how effective. Another key factor: How many calories do you burn from playing MLG? I would say about one calorie a day.[quote][/quote]Another idea busted - that's 128 in total and counting!

MLG is NOT a sport and it should never be considered a sport. Being good at a video game does not make you a athlete and no one should be being payed more than your average joe to play them. [Edited on 11.05.2008 8:24 AM PST]