Here is a list of arguments that I see plaguing the nerf posts by forumers who disagree about every single nerf: [b]You suck. Get better and stop crying crucibaby[/b] This is plainly an insult. It doesn't simply say i do not agree and why, it's just plain hate. These comments shouldn't be accepted since they are disrespectful, and do not bring the conversation to another level. I highly recommend to report these posts for offensive language and remove this plague. [b]You can outgun this weapon. Therefore, it's not OP[/b] This is simply wrong on multiple levels. The first thing is that to truely outgun a weapon, you need to compare the weapon itself with the sane weapon class. Therefore mentionning "use a shotgun against thorn" isn't a solution since both weapon do not obey to the same laws. Second thing, this argument is simply not a proof of how a weapon is balanced compared to others. You can outgun a machine gun using MIDA. Is MIDA=Machine Gun? No. Therefore, outgunning someone is not an argument to defend the balance within the game. [b]I am better than you at crucible, so I know more than you do.[/b] This is simply an argument of authority. How being better makes you someone who knows more about weapon balancing? It's interaction between weapons. Not between a good player vs. a bad player. [b]Then how can I truely prove my point?[/b] This is the hardest part. Every opinion is based of experiences. Some do give you an idea of the current state of balance, others such as the very few written above, are simply not relevant in such discussions. The way I do it is mostly illustrated in another post I did a while back that I can link here. It's basically, imagine the same player with the same skill placed in various situations against himself with different guns. Example: Thorn Vs The last word. Which weapon would win in each and single situation. How easy is it tl use the weapon in a such situation? Is it reliable at all ranges? Does it have a great damage output? Is it easy to handle? If i'm missing any, please let me know in the comments and I'll add them. See you around guardians. Edit 1: usually, when people insult you for asking nerfs, they tell you that you suck and don't know anything about the weapon. But if you are good, this happens: [quote]Ass backwards. If it's hard to get it should be bad ass. You sound ignorant and are acting like a dick saying "I'm too good with it so it needs to be nerfed". Get over yourself clown. Actually break your console it'll be better for us all.[/quote] Another good insult to top it off. Got anymore of 'em? Edit 2: [b]Just use it yourself[/b] Then become a game where variety is no existant anymore, where everyone uses the same weapon because it's the best and you sinply have no choice but to take that gun to be on an even fight. Bungie stated that there shouldn't be a single answer to crucible. This thoughts encourages the use of a single answer, which proves furthermore that there is a real problem with the gun. Edit 3: [quote]This is my last reply then you are muted because I don't want to keep bumping your retarded thread. You feel OP using thorn? It's not fair you think? Quit fu.cking using it, dumbass. The end.[/quote] Sure. Tell that to the guy who just wants to win. He'll stop using the broken weapon magically.