Okay I usually don't complain about guns and and I definitely never post on the forums but lets be honest with ourselves here Thorn and Felwinter's are over performing outside of their intended range. Now I'm not about to cry nerf because I hate nerfs. [b]Thorn[/b] Thorn is an issue because of it's ease of use and the ridiculous burn. People are always trolling saying to "git gud" but honestly there is no way of avoiding it. Seriously who really enters a gun fight and not get shot at least once? The thing about Thorn is there is no such thing as taking cover. You get hit once and your burning while the guy you shot is already regaining his health. But what makes it so bad is that even when you get into a gun fight with Thorn and win the burn will always kill you no matter what basically making it a trade off. That is a problem. My idea of Thorn is burn should only take effect if it's a precision shot. [b]Felwinter's Lie[/b] It's obvious this thing is performing outside of it's intended range. Now of course the trolls are going to say "don't get so close" My question is this who the hell in their right mind will see a guy charging them and decide Oh let me charge them back! No one so shut up. The issue is this I can back step for days I can jump I can twirl I can dance but the moment they are in mid range I'm gone. The problem with this gun is simple bungie nerfs all the range of every shotgun but gives this one two range options. Now why does this one shotgun that is easy to obtain need this? The only reason you people use these guns is because they are overpowered. I have a blue shotgun called crash casket that kills from the same the distance as Felwinter's. I don't use this because I like it or I enjoy it. It's because it's op and gets the job done. I won't defend this gun because I know it should be fixed. I won't tell others to git gud because I know the moment I look at them they're dead with zero effort. No skill required and same goes for Thorn and Felwinter's. No skill.