Most people claiming to have a counter to Thorn in the Control/Rumble Crucible matches don't have a good understanding of what a counter is. Go ahead.... post up your counters to Thorn. [spoiler]......and all the people posting things that the Thorn wielder can ALSO do while holding the weapon are not naming a counter. Example: saying, "I strafe!!" is stupid. The Thorn guy can strafe too. ===== Of course TLW and Thorn users can be beaten BUT generally you have to rely on luck, which is terrible PvP design -- you'd need luck like: A) the Thorn guy having much worse aim than you, or B) you having more teammates with you to outnumber the Thorn guy(s), or C) having to bring in your fireteam and hope to get matched up against randoms, or D) getting the drop on a Thorn guy, maybe he's unaware enough to let you get in behind him. [/spoiler] Basically, the only possible ways to try countering Thorn that may have a hope of reliability are....... [spoiler] heavy weapons or Red Death or other short-range overpowered weapons, like TLW or Vex or shotguns or fusion rifles). Edited: Red Death, because lol Edit: Thorn still beats all of these, though.[/spoiler]