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10/13/2008 7:37:36 PM
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Trash Talking: Can you get bans?
Recently today, I encountered a guy trash talking heavily and using racial slurs against me. I told him he would be reported...but he didnt stop. he kept calling me stuff like a n-----, and other offensive words. Just for the account of it....im not black. He kept trash talking me about how my gamertag was so stupid and blablabla...he quit the game when I killed him 6 times in a row. I have already PMed his GT to Shishka...but I'm just wondering...can he get a ban for this?
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This would be approaching a sticky legal situation which I am not sure has been decided. Since XBOX live and halo 3 work by setting up one xbox console as the "host" it would be important to know if the "host" was in USA, Canada or even another country. Once that was established, one would need to learn the laws of that individual country. Beyond that it becomes a more complicated legal issue that I am not equipped to discuss. Muting the offending party is still the quick and easy solution :)
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Just to put it out there the Constitution only applies to the GOVERNMENT. Once a person enters a private establishment be it a McDonalds or Xbox Live they must conform to the rules set by the owners. Unless the owners of the property or equipment being used is the US government the Constitution has no bearing what so ever. To put it bluntly "In my house you play under my rules".
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] daukfan While using personal slurs of any kind (racial, ethnic, sexist, nationalistic, religious, homophobic, ageist, or even centralist) is morally reprehensible it is unlikely any player will be banned for using these phrases. This is because vocabulary is not black or white and has infinite room for personal interpretation. Calling my friend an "XYZ" (made up slur) would evoke a different and more predictable response than calling a stranger "XYZ." Furthermore, the constitution of the United States of America, where Bungie and Microsoft corporately reside, enforces the first amendment guaranteeing freedom of speech. Despite XBOX Live's service contract claims referring to slanderous language and phrases; I find it unlikely one would ever be banned from their service for using such language. One scenario, albeit unlikely, would be a player directly slandering against the Code of Conduct in a game with a member of XBOX live staff who had the authority to act. Even more likely, this action would only be a global ban from voice chat and text type communication. This is a good thing, do you want others to define what is O.K. for you to hear and be exposed to? If you are under 18, this is your [b]parents[/b] responsibility and as legal guardians should prevent you from talking and receiving voice/text communication from strangers on XBOX live. If you are OVER 18, it is [b]your[/b] responsibility to choose what you are and are not persistently exposed to. Utilize the [b]mute[/b] feature yourself, or complain when a 3rd party controls what you are exposed to. [/quote] Sorry for sounding like a smartass here...but I am from Canada and he is from the US. Does that matter?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DoT hoochiE [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] daukfan While using personal slurs of any kind (racial, ethnic, sexist, nationalistic, religious, homophobic, ageist, or even centralist) is [b]morally reprehensible[/b] it is unlikely any player will be banned for using these phrases. This is because [/quote] blah blah blah [b]im glad you think its cool and OK for people to be laughing at the deaths caused by the terrorist attack on america.[/b] people like that should not be given the right and freedom to play xbox live or anything dealing with america -blam!- them and -blam!- you[/quote] Keyword: reprehensible Learn that word and re-think your reply.
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Its very unlikely this person will get banned. My understanding of the complaint system is if enough people file a complaint under the same category in a 1-month span then that player gets banned. So if this guy only trash talked you and only you filed a complaint he wont be getting banned. Its also your fault for not muting him. You make it seem like you wanted to hear him say those things to you just so you could report him, I think you should be banned if anything. [Edited on 10.13.2008 12:51 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] daukfan While using personal slurs of any kind (racial, ethnic, sexist, nationalistic, religious, homophobic, ageist, or even centralist) is morally reprehensible it is unlikely any player will be banned for using these phrases. This is because [/quote] blah blah blah im glad you think its cool and OK for people to be laughing at the deaths caused by the terrorist attack on america. people like that should not be given the right and freedom to play xbox live or anything dealing with america -blam!- them and -blam!- you [Edited on 10.13.2008 12:48 PM PDT]
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multiple people have to file cause if lets say u dont like this kid at school and you try to file complaints just cause you dont like him thats exactly y multiple people need to file a complaint microsoft doesnt take your word for it
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if the trahs talking gets to heavy, report for unpleasant language, or trash talking, and you can file a complaint.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] g35cpe But he CAN get an EXP ban..right?[/quote] Ha...he'll get more than that. MS can issue a voice ban if the player is much to rowdy.
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While using personal slurs of any kind (racial, ethnic, sexist, nationalistic, religious, homophobic, ageist, or even centralist) is morally reprehensible it is unlikely any player will be banned for using these phrases. This is because vocabulary is not black or white and has infinite room for personal interpretation. Calling my friend an "XYZ" (made up slur) would evoke a different and more predictable response than calling a stranger "XYZ." Furthermore, the constitution of the United States of America, where Bungie and Microsoft corporately reside, enforces the first amendment guaranteeing freedom of speech. Despite XBOX Live's service contract claims referring to slanderous language and phrases; I find it unlikely one would ever be banned from their service for using such language. One scenario, albeit unlikely, would be a player directly slandering against the Code of Conduct in a game with a member of XBOX live staff who had the authority to act. Even more likely, this action would only be a global ban from voice chat and text type communication. This is a good thing, do you want others to define what is O.K. for you to hear and be exposed to? If you are under 18, this is your [b]parents[/b] responsibility and as legal guardians should prevent you from talking and receiving voice/text communication from strangers on XBOX live. If you are OVER 18, it is [b]your[/b] responsibility to choose what you are and are not persistently exposed to. Utilize the [b]mute[/b] feature yourself, or complain when a 3rd party controls what you are exposed to.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GrandMoff Cayce There is this nifty feature called "mute"[/quote] And theres a big cup of "Shut the Hell Up" int he microwave for you. smartass. [Edited on 10.13.2008 12:16 PM PDT]
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There is this nifty feature called "mute"
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He will not get an exp ban. He will not get a matchmaking ban. The only type of ban applicable to him would be from xbox live, not anything Bungie does. And no, he won't get banned. I have friends that are 100% avoided and nothing ever happens to them, so don't think that anything will happen. Just ignore it.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Millium Yes, it is technically a bannable offense, but I doubt anybody has ever been banned for it. With good reason, too: Trash talking isn't an easily defined term. Removing that element of "trash talking", whether you define it as swearing, bragging or whatever, removes a lot of what makes Xbox Live... fun. In extreme cases like this, it's best just to ignore the guy. After all, he's only trying to make you mad anyway.[/quote] He typically was using racial slurs too.
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Yes, it is technically a bannable offense, but I doubt anybody has ever been banned for it. With good reason, too: Trash talking isn't an easily defined term. Removing that element of "trash talking", whether you define it as swearing, bragging or whatever, removes a lot of what makes Xbox Live... fun. In extreme cases like this, it's best just to ignore the guy. After all, he's only trying to make you mad anyway.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] g35cpe [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan 9175 It depends on what you mean by report do you mean file a complaint? or leave bad rep? the only way a person will get punished is if you file a complaint. Bad rep doesn't do anything. [/quote] I did both. And I also gave Shishka his GT.[/quote] Than you did the right thing. Alot of people think leaving bad rep is the answer it isn't. Once enough people complain about him, he'll be delt with.
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i usually dont care for the most part. i mean its a shooter/competitive game so some trash talking is expected but when i get comments like the one i posted above or ones that are really just uncalled for like racial slurs and things like that its just wrong.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan 9175 It depends on what you mean by report do you mean file a complaint? or leave bad rep? the only way a person will get punished is if you file a complaint. Bad rep doesn't do anything. [/quote] I did both. And I also gave Shishka his GT.
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It depends on what you mean by report do you mean file a complaint? or leave bad rep? the only way a person will get punished is if you file a complaint. Bad rep doesn't do anything.
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i know i hate these guys too but dont report them, just dont talk to them or block them, but reporting is not necessary, it is his account i think bans are stupid just get out of their way
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DoT hoochiE yeh i wish there was a way to forward say a txt msg or voice msg to the proper authority so to speak. the other night i think last night we played some people from germany who after the game sent my buddy a msg saying something along the following ' a not very good huh? stupid americans and your fallen towers. look at all you dead americans hahahaha' pretty not -blam!- cool and kid should be banned if not -blam!- cut up and fed to dogs[/quote] Agreed. Some people are just sick and -blam!- stupid.
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yeh i wish there was a way to forward say a txt msg or voice msg to the proper authority so to speak. the other night i think last night we played some people from germany who after the game sent my buddy a msg saying something along the following ' a not very good huh? stupid americans and your fallen towers. look at all you dead americans hahahaha' pretty not -blam!- cool and kid should be banned if not -blam!- cut up and fed to dogs edit: i went back and got his name... [url=http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Halo3/Default.aspx?player=THELASTPIEH0LE]THELASTPIEH0LE[/url] [Edited on 10.13.2008 11:46 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SpudMuffin Xbox Live is in charge of bans for thinsg like that, not Bungie. Yes, he can get temporarily banned for things like profanity and harassment, but multiple people need to file a complaint in order for it to happen.[/quote] Doesnt it list Trash Talking on [url]http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?link=H3Bans[/url] ? [Edited on 10.13.2008 11:44 AM PDT]
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But he CAN get an EXP ban..right?
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Xbox Live is in charge of bans for thinsg like that, not Bungie. Yes, he can get temporarily banned for things like profanity and harassment, but multiple people need to file a complaint in order for it to happen.
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