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Edited by b e a n:
5/6/2015 10:00:24 PM
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I don't think you've considered the viability of a Combustion, Keyhole and Over The Horizon Golden Gun in an enclosed, horde mode type engagement with a large number of trash mobs.
Besides, everyone acts like classes are useless if their grenades or supers can't do work, but for general gunplay the Hunter is matchless. Chain of Woe and Gunslinger's Trance make Hunters more accurate, allowing them to do more consistent DPS with less downtime between magazines. Other than that? Player skill is far more valuable than any class choice, and you never know when a bit of speed might help.
Bladedancer has its own boons, the most noteworthy being Invisibility, but to be honest I don't really play it much.
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This is true. I've always done rather well as a hunter. I've been using my Titan for a bit as my main cause the hunters already at 32 but I prefer my hunters weapon abilities over the supers anyway. Half the time I forget about my super cause I'm too busy wrecking shop with my weapons, ya know this things you pansies are always bitching about. I love how so many snowflakes are always on here talking bout this gun or that gun but the. For some reason think that supers are the be all offensive/defensive weapon in the game. Ooo your warlock can make a bunch of orbs, woohoo. In mobs a hunter can make plenty. I ran last weeks nightfall, ya know omnigole(whatever), made plenty of orbs with 3 shots of my GG. Took out a mass of thrall w/ combustion-boom- 8 orbs, next wave, boom 6 orbs then took out a fallen vandal for another 4. Wasn't even wearing alpha lupi either.
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Your lack of raiding, therefore knowledge of end-game activities, negates your opinion. Hunters will be borderline useless only saving grace is invisibility for revives and point capturing. Although, I do have all 3 play relatively equally, I would take a team player hunter over a solo titan or warlock.
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Oh. I didn't realise you had to go into a raid to understand how a class works. My bad.
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To understand how a class works in clutch situations. Sure every class wrecks in a 26 roc strike....
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Edited by b e a n: 5/7/2015 6:07:44 PMAgain, my mistake, I wasn't aware that a specific baseline of repetition was an essential requirement for learning something. How dare I assume that it was even remotely possible to learn how to clutch in ten raids.
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Have you even done CE? Fighting enemies your level or higher is very different than being carried thru a couple raids, or doing strikes. It's ok being a casual just don't act like you understand high level content.
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Your lack of knowledge about how to use hunters in raids makes you look like an arrogant fool. Golden gun can kill things like oracles or supplicants that are spread out and can not be grouped for Titan/warlock specials. Combustion works just fine for clearing trash. Bladedancer can clear more trash than any other super if you aren't being dumb about its use. Showstopper and razors edge can easily outdo nova and fist since it can be used more than once. Ward of dawn is the only special that is truly irreplaceable since it provides mobile cover. All of the dps supers do junk dmg on bosses/ultras/majors so it doesn't much matter. The only one that can put out massive dmg on harder enemies is sunsinger, but they will mostly be saving it for self Rez rendering the dps moot. Self Rez has its uses obviously but using it means you're already preparing to fail.
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What a joke. My lack of knowledge? I've soloed CE normal on all 3 classes. Hunters suck, deal with it. I have far more CE and VoG completions than you. Yes GG is convenient for oracles but no better than praetorian foil. 2 GG for one oracle come on 2 oracle kills at most. I never said GG was worse than nova or fist of havoc. But it is worse than radiance and ward of dawn. Bladedancer? Anyone that uses bladedancer in upper level content for anything other than extended invisibility is a fool. Showstopper and razors edge can take out thralls and acolytes great. Know what else does? Fatebringer, splosions man splosions. Plus FB from distance and will put out way more damage way fast and safer. Not like you're gonna be making many orbs anyway. 1 major or ultra will negate a bladedancers attack, yes nova wont fair much better but a voidwalker in upper level content is also a fool, same for striker titans. Self rez is no more planning to fail than having car insurance or a fire extinguisher. Do you plan on getting in a wreck that is your fault? Do you plan on having a fire? No, just good to have.
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Its 1 GG shot per Oracle... just saying
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Hard mode is two shots, no one cares about what you can do in normal.
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Wasnt talking about normal, it one shots on hard
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ahahahahahahahaha get good scrub. GG has never 1 shotted oracles on hard. I'm guessing a teammate was doing the heavy lifting.
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Try again before calling people scrubs and you might just learn how the scrub really is.
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Citing more raid completions is irrelevant since anyone who does them more than 5 times has a pretty good idea of what's going on. I agree on BD and striker being worthless in high end pve content for the most part. Hunter thrives on being agile and not being hit while using the GS perks to make you more accurate and have less downtime reloading. FB is great but those explosions are worthless on tougher enemies and you really should be using a special/heavy for that. In reality class is irrelevant in this game since they mostly just add flavor more than any advantages/disadvantages. If your using the foil on oracles then what are you damaging atheon with? If ghorn is your answer then I hope your whole group has them as that actually hurts group dps since he moves around making him harder to snipe. GG lets you drop damage quickly to catch oracles up or get out ahead of them. It also allows one player to clear the entire room of supplicants quickly and efficiently. Saying a class is useless because you refuse to see any other opinion than your own is blind arrogance that you are taking for fact. The point I was making about radiance was that actually using it to dps with radiant skin is more of a help to the team than waiting to die to use it. Using it actually makes it less likely your group wipes in the first place.
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Far more raid completions with a far higher k/d ratio. Fatebringer worthless on tougher enemies? It staggers them while killing the lowers then you can switch to special if needed. Yea usually ghorn with a team of most of them. Then VoC cuz it does work too. Used to use VoC with icebreaker and Corrective measure for oracles. Just depends on the team. Yes, useless is a bit harsh. However, same player option of hunter or one of the others then I want the others. Hunters bring no game changers to the game. Ward of dawn is a undeniable game changer, everyone is dead pop rez.. game changer. As for radiance, warlocks can use it in times of low stress to create massive orbs while quickly regaining their rez from teammates getting to use their supers.
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Let's not bring k/d into this. K/d in a pve mode is pointless as it proves nothing. Not to mention over 60% of your kills are in CE normal mode, I could boost my k/d 50 in a week if I just spawned into the abyss and killed thrall all day. You no doubt have more raid completions than me as I spend most of my time in crucible.
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Vog k/d is significantly higher too. It is relevant. Have you soloed CE normal? All 3 classes?
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Just hunter/warlock, the Titan is my wife's character. Again the majority of your completions on VoG are normal mode not hard. Regardless pve is a terrible test of ones skill since it is against static opponents. That's what crucible is for. Either way I'm not arguing about who is a better player, I just wanted to point out that hunter is not useless
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They are definitely not static targets, PvP is very simple mechanics as well when you get down to it, only a few weapons etc to fight with/against and most of the tactics are worn out. Plus k/d is not a factor unless it is rumble. I did the whole k/d call of duty train, it got boring, as for the majority of kills and completions being on normal it makes sense. It came out first I do it first every week. I don't even bother with HM unless friends want to do it. I have every raid&exotic weapon&armor so I farm norm CE for shards/energy.
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Not completely useless. Comparatively useless. Yes, an exaggeration but my point was merely titans and to a lesser extent warlock will rule PoE
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Prison of Elders isn't a raid.
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This.
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Edited by Wells: 5/6/2015 10:03:18 PMI wish they would release a hunter exotic gauntlet that grants double time for chain of woe and gunslingers trance.
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Those two perks make the gunslinger class my favorite in the game
