Last iron banner I participated in I owned with the MIDA. I still regularly outgun thorn and tlw user in Pvp with it. Weapons don't make the player. That's what I'm getting at. Players make the weapon.

Well see it still boils down to being able to hit the broad side of a barn with most of these weapons. I've seen this happen in Halo, COD, Battlefield and every other FPS I've played. Bad players are always going to complain and cry nerf because it doesn't matter what weapon they use, they just are not very good at the game. What happens is they see someone using TLW/Thorn or whatever and they keep getting killed over and over by the gun. So then they figure the gun is OP, they try the gun but then since they aren't a good player in terms of map knowledge, aim, etc. they still wind up dying a lot and getting few kills with the "OP" weapon of choice. Then they run to the forums and scream and cry for nerfs. This often happens with burst and single fire weapons that have a higher damage number, especially in the COD games. Higher skilled players go for these weapons because of their fast time to kill on precision shots. Bad players see them doing well and see themselves getting owned by these weapons, like the FAL and M-16 in Modern Warfare 2, and the Mk-14 and Type 95 in MW3, etc. and then they try to use those weapons but don't have the skill or the aim and they suck with them and continue to get killed so again they cry nerf. While an "OP" weapon will make a minor difference and maybe get them a few more kills, overall it isn't going to do a whole lot to uplift a bad player and make them more competitive and better. It still boils down to your aim, your map and spawn knowledge, and everything else. I used to think that it was all about guns in Destiny back when I was a terri-bad 0.30 k/d in crucible, but then I realized that guns are only a very small part of it. When I got my first auto rifle with third eye it certainly helped, and helped me move up to around a 0.60 k/d, but until I started watching Crucible videos and learning the maps, spawn flow, etc. and changed up my own playstyle, I didn't get decent at it. Now that I've made adjustments to other areas of my playstyle I'm fairly competitive and have pulled my Titan up from a 0.30 to 0.99, and his Iron Banner k/d is 1.23. I've come to realize it doesn't matter what gun you use, if you are a bad player who refuses to learn the game and adjust, you will be bad regardless of what you are using and you will cry for nerfs.

So basically you're telling me to hop on the bandwagon and attempt utilizing tools I potentially don't care to use. Yeah, okay bud. Instead of just trying to make us use obviously ridiculous items, ask yourself why we should have to in order to be evenly matched? TLW? Thorn? Felwinter's Lie? Many people (myself included) loathe using those or other overpowered weapons- they feel crappy in my use and generally bore me to death. If a player wants to grab their Fang of Ir Yut, they shouldn't have to worry about it or it's weapon class being Underpowered. "Do you want to be mad at PvP or have fun?"- I want to have fun without being subjected to a certain gun loadout. "Then grab that Last Word, whip out that glorious shotgun and start blinking around like a madman!"- The Last Word is appaling to use. Blink is my least favorite type of movement. Shotguns are the only I consider, even then I don't care for a Felwinters. And before anybody tries to say "git gud skrub," there is no "good" when fighting consecutive, quick 84-111 crits with high stability, 84 crits with a dot, or just getting flat out one shotted from an absurd range (Unless it's a sniper). Basically, Tl;DR: Nobody should be subjected to using certain guns for equivalent power in PvP.

Yall need to fear the MIDA

I hardly use shotgun in PvP, which you can check my stats for proof. I think blink shotgun is for peeps with far less skills. However I do use hand cannons and auto rifles etc. Just can't bring myself to use a shotgun. Think I tried it for a few kills and felt dirty lol

I'd be happy if the random team knew how to play control...

This! Stop complaining and use em! I personally have been rolling: Red Death two to the Mourgue Deviant Gravity. My Try-hard set up is: Thorn/hawkmoon Ldr/Two to the Morgue Deviant/hunger

You just confirmed you are a scrub.

Yeah i got bitched at for using final round on efrideet spear lol. Why not use the most efficient killing tools?

I have no problem against TLW with my MIDA and trade kills against Thorn pretty consistently (DoT gets me after he's dead). Sometimes multiple Thorn users are a little frustrating but I just change play style a little bit. Shotguns are what get me because I suck with a shotgun. I'm getting better though and I'm having far more positive games than I did on Tuesday because I'm learning to camp corners etc

The best players use the best guns. You're not impressing anyone by handicapping yourself.