{{
`${userDetail.user.displayName}${userDetail.user.cachedBungieGlobalDisplayNameCode ? `#${standardizeBungieGlobalCode(userDetail.user.cachedBungieGlobalDisplayNameCode)}` : ""}`}}
{{getUserClans()}}
Edited by Apex of War:
4/29/2015 5:28:25 PM
35
How to fix Thorn/TLW without nerfs
These gun don't need nerfs, they just need a little rework to meet (but not exceed) their intended design.
Edit: Not whinning, I do just fine in PvP. But I had a recent poll asking what exotics players use in PvP.
45% Thorn/TLW
17% Red Death/Bad Juju
12% Vex/Suros
11% Hawkmoon/Monte Carlo
15% Everything else
We seriously need more diversity...
Thorn -
Reduce DoT damage to 5.
Bullets refresh DoT.
[i]Removes the quick two shot kill, but gives a higher damage output over time. If you do the math, it's still a two head shot kill, but not if the two shots are within one second of each other. If you land the second head shot after the second tick, it's still a two shot kill. Land another shot after the third tick, and you'll have dealt more damage than no refresh at 7 damage.[/i]
TLW -
Replace Perfect Balance with Flared Magwell.
[i]Reduces the effective range of Fan Fire due to reduced stability, but improves capabilities against multiple opponents with quicker reloads. You'll get less kills at range, but more kills (and save a few deaths) against more than one opponent[/i]
Thoughts?
-
-
-
1 ReplyThere is no pleasing the destiny community. NERF NERF NERF autorifles everyone uses them NERF NERF NERF handcannons everyone uses them NERF NERF NERF pulserifles everyone uses them NERF NERF NERF supers everyone uses them NERF NERF NERF melees everyone uses them NERF NERF NERF grenades everyone uses them Solution : get rid of everything and leave only throwing knives
-
1 ReplyWatch when they do nerf thorn and tlw nobody would use them nemore then red death will be king. Once that happens people would complain all about red death making 10000x threads like this. The circle of life.
-
Thorn needs a range buff. I was on the map with vehicles and this sniper was shooting me and my bullets couldn't reach him. Plus he was hard to see. They should give it increased hip fire stability and increased zoom when looking down the sights. Maybe like an acog scope. Poison seems fine.
-
For thorn. Let's have DOT not able to actually kill you. It can take health away from u but the poison alone cannot deal the last blow. The player must
-
Thorn - Increase Impact/Lower RoF [spoiler]Because you can't just change RoF[/spoiler] - Reduce amount of Damage dealt by Poison This way it still kills in the same amount of shots and it can't be spammed. I'd consider this an improvement in PvE as wll.
-
or do they need to buff every other exotic??
-
Mida is better
-
1 ReplyThorn: remove visibility of DoT dmg to remove wallhack TLW: double reloading time
-
Just reduce their effective range... they're hand cannons, not scout/sniper rifles. This isn't halo 1.
-
Agree with TLW, not with the Thorn. Changing the shots to kill really messes with the weapon. I think it needs less stability and range falloff. Right now it can snipe, and I think the Hawkmoon should be the king of distance.
-
22 RepliesEveryone is bitching about these two guns and no one mentions hawkmoon??? Lol dont nerf or touch anything kids need to get good and stop bitching
-
6 RepliesThat change in pvp would simply turn it into a 3 shot kill for thorn. Which honestly ruins it's uniqueness. What good is the DoT in pvp if I can just finish shooting them myself? Even with perfect balance it still makes the gun kick hard. With out perfect balance the gun is straight up not usable outside of shotgun OHK range. maybe an overstatement. But there is a reason so many people didn't understand the last word hype until after they got perfect balance. It's needed. If you want to improve gameplay you do the following: ~give more maps that support more then one style of play ~re buff auto rifles to a useable state in pvp. ~give us actual objective based modes that make people change how they play.
-
Use the thorn
-
4 RepliesHow to fix : learn to not play like an idiot, literally I have been playing a ton a crucible lately and don't think anything is OP. I use my thorn, TLW, Red Death and everything else and rotate my weapons based on the map. If people stopped running around the maps blindly then I guarantee you wouldn't die so much.
-
2 RepliesBullets do reset DoT right now... that makes it do more damage. the time resets after every bullet making the DoT obviously last longer using common sense... what they need to do is buff auto rifles major & put a slight damage buff to scout rifles. maybe a slight range reduction to hand cannons but I really hate nerfs of any kind. Pulse Rifles can most definitely compete w. The hand cannons. I constantly outgun Thorn & Last Word w. Bad JuJu, Red Death, Three Little Words, Praedyths Timepiece, Oversoul Edict. Scout rifles aren't bad at all, but 4 dome shots when hand cannons are 3 even at a range is excessive. Scout Rifles should be 3 headshot deaths. come on now. & we all know what needs to happen to Auto Rifles. they need a major major buff. Although my Suros is doing very well in Iron Banner, honestly if it performed the same in Crucible I'd be pleased. I think it should be better but I'd at least use it.
-
4 RepliesWhat you seem to forget is this is an endless cycle. Since the nerd of VM then and Autos, now kids want to nerf the next best weapon down because that's what ppl have adapted to and then so on and so on. Just play the game as is. Willing to bet that kid griping doesn't have a thorn so he's hating. If you don't like it, don't play. Go back to PvE.
-
People keep saying buffing auto rifles will solve. Does no one realize that there are also pulse rifles and scout rifles? Anyway, my thoughts? People need to quit whining about guns and play the game. I absolutely despise shotguns and fusion rifles, the whole OHK anywhere on the body thing, but you don't see me on here complaining about them all the time.
-
2 RepliesJust bring back auto rifles, they where the biggest hand cannon killers
-
1 ReplyEdited by Kilo: 4/29/2015 5:03:23 PMBuff auto rifles so people use them again. Hand cannons have been the same for months (actually just had a slight nerf). They don't need to be changed. The only thing that's has changed is other weapons have been nerfed and special ammo is harder to find so more people are using primaries and since auto rifles aren't what they used to be people are switching to hand cannons. I think pulse rifles are going to be the next big thing. Right now no one is using them because I think no one has many good ones but they are pretty good right now. I've been out gunning thorn pretty consistently with timepiece. It does around 80 damage per burst and that's a low impact pulse rifle.
-
1 ReplyI like your thoughts on it. I use Thorn occasionally and TLW All that's not bad. I like it.
-
1 ReplyEdited by Talon: 4/29/2015 5:05:22 PMDoes the dot of Thorn stack? I never really noticed. :/
-
The HCs are fine. Bungie just needs to buff ARs back to their pre 1.1.1 damage levels so that other weapons can compete again. Thorn and TLW didn't magically become OP. They're just the only close to mid-range weapons that haven't gotten hit with the nerf-hammer.
-
The TTK on the exotic hand cannons and red death are literally half that of the suros i believe. Tweaking them with small fixes will not put their TTK anywhere near "balanced".
-
Buff auto rifles... Problem solved...
