Let's take a look at religious extremism shall we? I'm sure we're all aware of the stereotypical image of a fanatic: A Muslim, dressed in a turban or kufi, sporting a beard and robe, under which he carries a homemade bomb and an AK47. But what does religious extremism actually mean?
[quote]Religious extremism can be defined as a person or group that takes the position that if others do not follow their ways, they will be damned, often taking action to defend their beliefs.[/quote]
Whilst that definitely applies to Islamic Fanatics in pretty much everyone's mind, what with 9/11, the 7/7 underground bombings and IS, have you stopped to consider extremists in other religions?
Take a look at the Westborough Baptist Church. Their religious ideals are certainly uncommon, but also fall under the definition of religious extremism. They sit outside funerals of babies and servicemen to condemn them for not sharing their beliefs.
They preach hate and judgement against non believers. Throwing abuse and, sometimes, stones an other junk, at grieving relatives.
One thing that's been going around the forums a lot lately is the right for Christians to serve homosexuals on religious grounds which, whilst many of us may not agree with, seems to be a fair expression of religious freedoms. But, wait! That means taking action against someone in defence of their religious beliefs which is, by definition, Religious Extremism.
This isn't a dig at people's right to express their freedoms, nor a dig at Christianity in general, more a worry for the future ramifications of this law. Essentially, we are saying religious extremism is justified. Sure, for now it's only mild religious extremism, far from the atrocities of 9/11 or the Gaza conflicts. But how do we define an acceptable level of fanaticism? Is it when others are injured in our quest for religious expression? You could argue that the psychological trauma of being refused service is already damaging our fellow man. So is it ok so long as we're only causing mental trauma? But doesn't that mean that sensory deprivation is acceptable, when used to spread the word of our beliefs or in the saving of souls.
Look at the picture at the top of this post. You could argue that the girl on the left is just being patriotic, but under the law of Islam, so is the girl on the right. Where is the line drawn on acceptable levels of fanaticism? Is it really down to nothing more than cultural perspective? Will this law one day be used to justify Christian suicide bombers? The indoctrination of children in a bid to save their souls? And would you have a problem with this, flood?
[spoiler]Insert obligatory bel-air/dinosaur ending here. [/spoiler]
EDIT: I'm not trying to compare terrorist bombings to refusing service. The 9/11 and 7/7 bombings are atrocities which, in my mind, are inexcusable. But refusing service based on sexual preference and bombing public buildings are both forms of religious extremism, with mild extremism like prejudice based on sexuality being made acceptable by being ratified into law. What I'm trying to ask here is: What is considered an acceptable level of extremism? Can these new laws be used to justify more violent forms of extremism under the guise of religious freedom? When does it end?
TL;DR: Refusing service to someone based in their sexuality with religious justification is a form of religious extremism. Now that America has ratified discrimination against gays into law, how will this effect "acceptable" levels of fanaticism in the future? What is an except able level of fanaticism to you?
EDIT: So much butthurt. This is not an attack on America or Christianity.
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2 RepliesEdited by Yarbey: 4/24/2015 6:01:05 AMThe one on the left is hot, the other is not.
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Tip of the iceberg, this law will cause government to turn on religion... Give it some time, it will happen sooner then later
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If I'm reading this right, there has been a law passed in the states that allows a person to refuse to serve gays because it's their religious beliefs? Man if that's right it's fu@ked up What if someone said " I won't serve a black man because of my religion " what's the difference? When you allow bigotry, racism and hate to be allowed in law it's madness. Just about anything could be covered under " my belief " American land of the free? It doesn't look so free to me.
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[spoiler][didn't read any of it] [is replying to picture][/spoiler] [spoiler]different eye color is the difference.[/spoiler]
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8 RepliesWhy don't we take the homosexuals, and push them somewhere else?
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4 RepliesWow this post is confused. The girl on the left supports her country. The one on the right is a violent terrorist who kills men, women, and children for believing in what the girl on the left believes in.
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2 RepliesEdited by Britton: 4/25/2015 5:14:58 PMHere's an interesting scenario. Let's say a christian family lives in a predominantly Muslim neighborhood. Muslims get a law passed allowing them to refuse service to anyone who opposes their belief based on the precedent set by the law passed by Christians allowing discrimination against gays because it opposes their belief. So unless the Christian family conforms to the Muslim beliefs they will be put at extreme local disadvantages. Opinions? [spoiler]basically these religious gay discrimination laws are opening the door for other laws by other religions that wouldn't be so popular among the majority of the country. How is what Christians are doing different from what a Muslim community would want to do by implementing a version of sharia law? I'm sure if a Muslim community refused to serve women, and refused to serve families who didn't have their women covered from head to toe there would be massive public outrage. [/spoiler]
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7 RepliesOn the topic of the picture, the girl on the left won't kill you if you don't support her beliefs but the girl on the right will. Secondly refusal of service is not a form of religious extremism but a personal choice (while not a good one) inspired by religion.
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4 RepliesI still wouldn't serve gays.
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17 RepliesEdited by Tiber of Astora: 4/24/2015 9:44:51 PMDon't compare Christians to Muslims. Just don't. If someone holds a bible and a gun they're showing their support for freedom. If an extremist Muslim carries a gun and a Quran they're probably supporting terrorism. This is where things get crazy. When someone refuses service to a homosexual ceremony (wedding) it is different from refusing to service the individual. This is because the person providing a service has different convictions than the person they are serving. To service a gay wedding would be to contradict the beliefs of the person providing services. To service the individual without having to service an organization or ceremony is fine. That's where people are getting confused. [spoiler]Two different things.[/spoiler] [quote]Will this law one day be used to justify Christian suicide bombers? The indoctrination of children in a bid to save their souls? And would you have a problem with this, flood?[/quote] Huh?... Just... What?... [quote]Where is the line drawn on acceptable levels of fanaticism? [/quote] I could ask the same thing about fanatic anti-theists. And whatever you do, don't compare denying service to LGBT organizations or ceremonies to terrorism. Don't... [spoiler]I've had enough of you religious h8 b8ers. Where's the Offtopic that we were meant to be?[/spoiler]
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6 RepliesExtremism is apparent in any ideology.
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1 Replylike if you couldb't be bothered to read all that crap like me
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3 RepliesThe Catholic Church allows all sexuality, just so you know [spoiler]the aren't allowed to marry tho[/spoiler]
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2 RepliesYou raise a very valid point.
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1 ReplyPretty much nailed it, anyone reading and saying they should have the right to be a bigot is clearly just indoctrinated.
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9 RepliesEdited by gerManicjag: 4/24/2015 2:36:38 AMIt deeply saddens me that in this day and age, people are not only abusing religion as a means to justify discrimination, but also abuse and degrade the bible by using it as "proof" that homosexuality is a sin. First of all I would like to say that, as a Christian, I do [b]not[/b] take everything in the bible seriously. I know where to draw the line between historical fact and extrapolated lessons. That being said, do I believe homosexuality is a sin? Absolutely not. I cannot even entertain the thought that God would condemn people for which gender they prefer. It sickens me that people are using a holy text that mainly preaches tolerance and acceptance to promote and justify discrimination. I don't care what you say, but refusing someone service due to sexual preference is the same as denying service because of race in my eyes, and that is wrong to the most obvious degree. I have accepted that gays are just another group within society and that, as U.S. Citizens-scratch that- as [b]human beings[/b] they deserve the same treatment as anyone else. It is time for people to open their eyes and let go of their unjust grievances for the betterment of society.
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1 Reply[quote]Is it really down to nothing more than cultural perspective? [/quote]Yes, it really is. Anyone who is under a different illusion is a brainwashed ignorant child. [quote]This is not an attack on America or Christianity.[/quote]Yes it is. Your treachery must be quashed.
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51 RepliesEdited by Britton: 4/23/2015 4:20:48 PMIts an excellent question, and I'm sure people will be appalled by relating Christians to religious extremism (a reaction a religious extremist would have). But the issue you're pointing out is the very reason we are supposed to have separation of church and state. An individuals beliefs belong to the individual, and when those beliefs that aren't based any objective truths start being manifested in your interactions with other law abiding citizens you may need to take a step back and reevaluate your behavior. I'm all for religious freedom, but that includes freedom from others beliefs, which means no laws based on religion. The best goal to work towards is being understanding of others (who aren't being detrimental to society) and having a peaceful society.
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A business institution doesn't have religious beliefs.
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1 ReplyReligion is a tool. It's used to protect interest and etc. You can be hateful, condescending, demanding, entitled and etc. And you can always says it's because it's part of your religion. People won't question it either. Because people don't want to seem judgmental. If you wanna act a certain way, just find a religion that suits how you act. That will allow you to act in a way you see fit without consequence.
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8 RepliesAs yes, the old using Westboro Baptist to represent Christians tactic.
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First of all I challenge you to find me a popular religion with more than a million followers that discriminates due to race Second it's not the case of not serving them, if they had walked into the store and asked for a cake they would have given it to them. But asking them to bake a cake for their gay wedding is something else. You are asking them to abandon their belief. It would be the difference of baking a fake for someone and baking a cake for the neo-[url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url] annual Jew slaughter party. Where do their rights ends and yours begin?
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5 RepliesSo a Christian can't live out their beliefs but an atheist can?
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4 RepliesEdited by Swag: 4/24/2015 9:30:03 AMI'm pretty sure that any private business has the right to deny service to any customer on any grounds, at least in Australia, even in the private medical industry to some extent; there are probably some exceptions though. Ultimately, this is part of being free. But that freedom goes both ways. People are also free to go elsewhere, as well as publicizing/spreading information about the place they're boycotting and why, and that can greatly affect if not kill a business. For example, say McDonalds decides to stop serving anyone who they suspect to be a homosexual, chances are this would effect their business negatively not just in the customers they're denying but those who boycott McDonalds on ethical grounds as a result. Burger King (or Hungry Jacks' as it's called in Australia), could easily run an ad where they have two gay guys come in and order a meal, and basically send the message that they extend open doors to anyone regardless of sexual orientation. Chances are, McDonalds stock goes down, Burger King's goes up. In other words you can't force anyone to do anything in a free society. All you can do is positively reinforce ideals that you endorse, and discourage the ideals you do not by taking your time elsewhere.
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1 ReplyReligious extremism is only related to Islam right now due to its spotlight in the news. About 50 years ago, it would have been Catholics who had that spotlight with the troubles in Ireland.
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1 Reply-blam!- that girl is fine. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° )