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9/26/2008 5:17:41 PM
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The Halo rings are a weapon. So how do they kill?
Just a quick post about something that's raised a few questions. We all know that the network of Halos are designed to be a last resort weapon against the flood right? Their purpose is to simply destroy all "sentient life capable of sustaining the Flood" (kill the Flood's food, to kill them). But has anyone ever wondered how that could be achieved, without any noticeable evidence left lying around the galaxy? Assuming that by sentient life that means humans, elites, animals or whatever. It's not simply a huge explosion that goes off and destroys everything in its path, because i'm guessing if you wanted the explosion to reach the other end of the galaxy, it would take a massive amount of energy, possibly taking out entire planets or stars. So can anyone shed some light on this? I was thinking it must be some sort or neurological or biological attack to the nervous system, but who's to say that couldn't just kill the flood at the same time?
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To be honost...it is probably something too complex for us to ever think of...or was something toooo simple to think of....either...like the Tootsie Roll (Copyright thing) commercial says "The world may never"... [Edited on 09.28.2008 1:39 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] EchoGamer Perhaps a form of extremely concentrated radiation? It would then make sense as to why the Flood are immune to the Halos, perhaps they can absorb huge amounts of radiation, but they cannot use bio mass full of radiation. Of course, these are the Forerunners we are talking about, and they may have used a technology we cannot even fathom.[/quote] Yeah, that's what it comes down to ultimately. The forerunner's technology was far more sophisticated than anything we could imagine, so i guess it sorta gives Bungie an excuse not to provide a specific answer to how Halo actually functions.
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Perhaps a form of extremely concentrated radiation? It would then make sense as to why the Flood are immune to the Halos, perhaps they can absorb huge amounts of radiation, but they cannot use bio mass full of radiation. Of course, these are the Forerunners we are talking about, and they may have used a technology we cannot even fathom.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Vox SoIa [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Brucey55 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Vox SoIa [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sizzled Chicken Radiation? I really don't know. You aren't supposed to, I think. I mean, the Forerunners built it. THey have technology beyond our wildest imaginations.[/quote]But they can't break the laws of physics.[/quote] Well, to be fair here, you did just suggest that a gamma burst propagates faster than the speed of light. But speed of light is something that can not be exceeded as Physics dictates. [/quote]Yes, but Einstein wrote laws of physics of the large and very large. Like physics of people, objects and the planets and stars. He did now know anything about quantum physics. He actully denied it. Quantum Physics cover the [b]very[/b] small. Quantum Physics biggest object would be a cell. A cell would be the size of the Universe in Quantum Physics. One thing that scientist have discovered is that the rules that govern the big, do not govern the small. And particles (the smallest bits of matter) do not act like big portions of matter. It is possible for a particle to travel faster then the speed of light.[/quote] AH! STOP IT! You're freaking me out!
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Well, we know there's 7 halo's. They are set up in a formation at strategic points throughout the galaxy. We know it doesn't destroy non organic things, but it can kill organic things. This means that it uses some sort of pulse super radiation that kills organic life. Anything other than that, well, we don't know of yet.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Doctor Sloan Big Bang anyone?[/quote] No thanks, i'm fine.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Triple6Thug74 First off, if we knew how it worked we would have this kind of technology ourselves. Besides that, I think gamma rays are pretty plausible. It's said that a gamma ray burst from an exploding star many lightyears away would destroy all life on earth, otherwise leaving absolutely no trace. Look it up on wikipedia.[/quote] It'd have to be really weak, however. If too powerful, the atmosphere would be blown off, and the actual geography of the planets would be messed up.
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Big Bang anyone?
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if its turned on then we all die we would only know for a couple of seconds
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First off, if we knew how it worked we would have this kind of technology ourselves. Besides that, I think gamma rays are pretty plausible. It's said that a gamma ray burst from an exploding star many lightyears away would destroy all life on earth, otherwise leaving absolutely no trace. Look it up on wikipedia.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Brucey55 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PhoenixEclipse [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Crez980 Here is a thought. What if it is a type of radiation similar to the one that affected Sgt. Johnson. If I recall, it disrupted his electrical impulses so the flood could not sync. This could be a means of starving them.[/quote] Interesting. And you get [url=http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Boren%27s_Syndrome]the disease[/url] from exposure to plasma. And plasma was considered a main component of Forerunner tech, right?[/quote] Very interesting. Correct me if i'm wrong but Sergeant Johnson was a Spartan 1 wasn't he? So there's an obvious connection to the forerunners, perhaps it was a hereditary disease. [/quote] The books stated he got it from being around a crate of plasma's, but it could just be a cover-up, so we may never know how he really got it. Anyone remember in Halo 2 when the ring almost fired and Miranda had to pull out the index to keep it from firing? When it was about to fire, there was a build up of energy in the middle of the ring and a blue plasma-looking bolt (like the ones on vahalla) came up from the bottom portion of the ring and connected with the energy. Could it be that the galaxy gets sprayed with "plasma" so to speak, giving everybody some type of Boren's Syndrome?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LebA x JoE I know i compared the Halo Universe to Real Life. Thats what every here is trying to do. These people are Video Game developers, not physicists. They don't care about physics. You can't compare a halo to real life. You have to compare halo to halo. If you you would read all, and i mean ALL, the books thoroughly, you will know the entire story line, and what the hell everything does.[/quote] That's like saying people who write stories about WW3 shouldn't know world politics.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] LebA x JoE I know i compared the Halo Universe to Real Life. Thats what every here is trying to do. These people are Video Game developers, not physicists. They don't care about physics. You can't compare a halo to real life. You have to compare halo to halo. If you you would read all, and i mean ALL, the books thoroughly, you will know the entire story line, and what the hell everything does.[/quote] Well physics is the basis for a lot of things in the series. The vehicles, players and objects all have mass and obey the laws of momentum and energy. Explosions and water splashes have their own particle system, bullets travel at actual velocities, not instantaneously. Explosions cause objects to accelerate etc etc.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] discipleTWO I'm not sure how to quote (and I'm too lazy to try) but Blaze Amazing and jorj 17 and myself have similar ideas, we're just saying them in different ways. I think jorj 17's post is the one I, at this time, agree with most. Radicalx2k... you ever read the book [u] Flatland [/u]? In any case, that's another possibility I hadn't considered but it makes sense. Further example of how the rings might operate on a level that isn't necessarily based in this dimension.[/quote] I have, in fact, read [u]Flatland[/u], and that's where I pulled the 2D reference. After having read it, I started really thinking hard about extra dimensions, and it occurred to me that 'sentient life' could, in fact, be a form of life that exists not only in our 4 dimensions, but in other dimensions as well. The more I thought about it, the more it started making sense, actually. It could be used to explain all kinds of 'supernatural' occurances, including faith-based miracles. Perhaps a 'higher power' truly exists in this other dimension, and it is occasionally tapped in to by extraordinary people. Or maybe our link in this other dimension, taken cumilatively, can accomplish more than we can individually. This might also be why so many of us feel that there are other beings 'out there', because we 'sense' themin this other dimension. What if, when we die and the link is broken, we live on in the extra dimension, which is why some people report seeing dead relatives or friends. Could we then reconnect with the matter dimensions through reincarnation? Are there people who can communicate with the 'disconnected'? Does God live there? I don't want to turn it into a religious or metaphysical debate. It's really just a hypothesis. I can't say any more than the next person what is truly behind it all. It just gives a more scientific explanation for the unexplained.
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Radiation pulse, most likely a low-level gamma ray burst. Anything bigger than, say, a Dog will probably be killed off, as well as quite a bit of Flood within range of the blast. [Edited on 09.26.2008 12:52 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Brucey55 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Fallen Dragon53 If I remember correctly, the gravemind is psychic, and uses this to send images of a tortured Cortana to the chief. This proves telepathy is real (In the haloverse). Therefore, as sentient life is thinking life, the halos possibly utilise the Forerunner's technology with psychic ability to find sentient life and destroy it from the mind. Correct me if I'm wrong.[/quote] As far as i know, a "psychic attack" would have to go from one mind to another. The only way for that to be possible is if the rings are somehow intelligent themselves.[/quote] Well...If Guilty Spark and Penitent Tangent are in charge of "Housekeeping and Maintenance" on the Rings, You'd think that there is another AI at work inside of the halos
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It melts your face.. like in the Raiders of the Lost Ark... Halo is kinda like the ark i guess.. not that makes any scence..
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I know i compared the Halo Universe to Real Life. Thats what every here is trying to do. These people are Video Game developers, not physicists. They don't care about physics. You can't compare a halo to real life. You have to compare halo to halo. If you you would read all, and i mean ALL, the books thoroughly, you will know the entire story line, and what the hell everything does. [Edited on 09.26.2008 12:43 PM PDT]
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I imagine a wave of light erupting from the Halo rings, and purging away all cellular life.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JoshW117 you are a noooooooob pay more attention to the dialouge that goes on in the halo games and read the books[/quote] i think the books are off. Try finishing all Halo games, it might make more sense.
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it cant be sound sound cant travel throughout space so the speculations of sonic waves is absolutely wrong imagine a really bright light... a powerful, hot fast moving light filled with UV rays and it penetrating through everything.... pretty dead for human, leaving all plant life relatively unharmed
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I'm not sure how to quote (and I'm too lazy to try) but Blaze Amazing and jorj 17 and myself have similar ideas, we're just saying them in different ways. I think jorj 17's post is the one I, at this time, agree with most. Radicalx2k... you ever read the book [u] Flatland [/u]? In any case, that's another possibility I hadn't considered but it makes sense. Further example of how the rings might operate on a level that isn't necessarily based in this dimension.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PhoenixEclipse [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Crez980 Here is a thought. What if it is a type of radiation similar to the one that affected Sgt. Johnson. If I recall, it disrupted his electrical impulses so the flood could not sync. This could be a means of starving them.[/quote] Interesting. And you get [url=http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Boren%27s_Syndrome]the disease[/url] from exposure to plasma. And plasma was considered a main component of Forerunner tech, right?[/quote] Very interesting. Correct me if i'm wrong but Sergeant Johnson was a Spartan 1 wasn't he? So there's an obvious connection to the forerunners, perhaps it was a hereditary disease.
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I like what you said here but I do have a point to make on this. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Vox SoIa This is were Bungie took Science Fiction and made it Science Fantasy. It would have to be some other kind of attack then just an explosion. The amount of energy needed to wipe everything out in the galaxy is far to great. Einstein's E=MC^2 states that E, Energy, is interchangeable with M, Matter. They are one in the same. I don't think a Halo ring would have enough matter to convert to energy even if it used the matter in the ring itself. Let alone to be able to create it in the middle of the ring and project it out across the galaxy. But we still like to believe. As for Halopedia... [quote]They amplify Halo's signal, and allow it to fire deep into space. The power levels are enormous. [u]How they produce such prodigious amounts of energy is unknown[/u]. The generators could possibly emit a gamma ray burst.[/quote]Obviously the writers didn't know anything about physics except for the basic maybe. The underlined sentence is a classic one when you don't know how to explain something. But it looks like they did know that Gamma Rays are the most powerful force in the universe. A Gamma Ray Burst is when a super massive star collapses in to itself, creating a black hole. A steam of particles free from the center at faster then light speeds. This stream is a Gamma Ray Burst. So unless Halo creates a Black Hole to stream Gamma Ray Burst, we don't know how it works. And that wont work because a Black Hole that size would suck in Halo as well.[/quote] Is it not possible that halo is merely a very large version of our [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider]Large Hadron Collider[/url] built at CERN? Think about it. It easily could be, The amount of earth (dirt) that covers the structure could more than easily stop radiation from large particle collisions from penetrating the surface. This would easily create a temporary black hole like the one you describe. The black hole would (like the CERN scientists currently theorize about our LHC) quickly destabilize and disappear. However, in its short life it could easily provide the kind of power Halo would need. Basically this is, in essence, the Star Trek effect. Where the cutting edge of science becomes the very explanation of such futuristic devices and concepts.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Crez980 Here is a thought. What if it is a type of radiation similar to the one that affected Sgt. Johnson. If I recall, it disrupted his electrical impulses so the flood could not sync. This could be a means of starving them.[/quote] Interesting. And you get [url=http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Boren%27s_Syndrome]the disease[/url] from exposure to plasma. And plasma was considered a main component of Forerunner tech, right? On vahalla, the bases sometimes shoot big plasma-looking bolts into the air, the same bolts that were seen when the ring in H2 almost fired. [Edited on 09.26.2008 12:34 PM PDT]
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For those of you who think the Halo Rings are a really big bomb that destroys EVERYTHING, planets and all, are wrong. Gamma is something that cannot be seen, it is a form of radiation, and radiation cannot kill you immediately, unless vast amounts pass through your body. Radiation can pass through anything, and i mean anything, depends on how much there is, and from what i've seen from the Halo Rings, It can cover millions of billions of miles through space. Well, in RL terms, which can in some spots of Halo be used as a reference comparison, if just enough Gamma rays were to pass through a human (now remember you can't see gamma rays, itss radiation, and is undetectable to the human eye. You can't see it, smell it, feel it, touch it, or taste it) You pretty much don't even know its there. In some cases if someone were to have a fatality from radiation exposure. The problems don't start until years after exposure, it usually results in cancer... and if the person who was exposed to enough radiation, if they were to have children, there is a good chance the children would be deformed. Has anyone ever heard of the Chernobal accident, (A nuclear power plant, I know it was in Europe, but im not exactly sure where, might have been in Ukraine, not sure.) They were doing a routine test run, and something went horribly wrong, when i say horrible, i mean HORRIBLE. The liquid Uranium used to run the plant, and generate power (Uranium is highly radioactive, and is a key ingredient to making an Atomic Bomb -aka- nuclear warhead.) reached a critical point of its melting stage, and cause a nuclear meltdown of a plant, in terms, ask a nuclear physicist about the worst case scenario in a nuclear power plant, and thats what Chernobyl was. This was some 20 years ago, and still to this day, the spot where Chernobyl was is still HIGHLY Radioactive, and say your were to go to this place, and just hang around there for a few days or a week... this could (not saying for sure) result in health problems later on in life do to too much radiation exposure. Im rambling on about nothing here. If what the rings are used for Gamma exposure, then basically its a Galactic Nuclear Bomb, with a smaller scaled galactic/catastrophic damage scale.
