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Were the atomic bombs dropped on Japan justified?

Great. This is just asking for trouble... Keep in mind I'm not asking whether the U.S. was a hero or villain, I'm asking whether it was justified or not. Now before you right something out of emotion, keep these things in mind: - The building of the atomic bomb was a response to the discovery that Germany was also developing nuclear weapons. The U.S. probably would've never built one if Albert Einstein didn't tell the U.S. government of Hitler's plan to develop and use. - For those who've never heard of The -blam!- of Nanking, you might want to look it up. The Imperial Japanese Army committed atrocious acts against the people of Nanking, China during a 6 week period being in December of 1937. An estimation of civilians who were killed is in the 200-300 thousands. Most women of most ages were -blam!-, not only by Japanese soldiers, but by sons, brothers, and fathers that were forced to do it by the Japanese. Men, women, and children of all ages were also slaughtered in most brutal of ways. Many suffered torture(too many types to name) before finally being killed. Most Japanese soldiers actually smiled and laughed while committing these atrocities. - Just like Germany, Japan was incredibly racist. They believed that they were the pure Asian race and saw people of non-Japanese descent as inferior (refer to The -blam!- of Nanking). Not only that, but they believed it was them who should own the Pacific, which is part of the reason why they bombed Pearl Harbor on December of 1941. At that point, America needed to act because of the attack on its own turf. - With the fall of the Axis Powers in Europe, the full attention was now turned to the Pacific. Unfortunately, FDR died of a stroke in April of 1945, while the atomic bomb was still in development. Harry Truman took office and was not aware of the Manhattan Project until he entered office. - The Japanese mentality of fighting was that of something never seen before. No surrender, fight until the very end, and suicide if all else fails. These guys were extreme radicals. They fought with an extreme passion for their country and Emperor. - Truman was a devout Christian. He had to make one of the hardest decisions a person could make. But here is some more background on the situation. • The scientists who developed the bomb had different views from one another. Some believed it needed to be dropped, while others thought a monster would become of this. Here is a famous quote by Einstein (a lifelong pacifist) regarding this; "Organized power can be opposed only by organized power. Much as I regret this, there is no other way." • Many generals of the U.S. also debated this. General Eisenhower believed it shouldn't be dropped because it would tarnish America's reputation. General Marshall believed it needed to be dropped because the only way to defeat the Japanese was with an unconditional surrender. When it came down to it, a peace agreement wasn't an option. • There was a plan to drop an atomic bomb near Japan so everyone in Japan could see it. However, this could not be done because if the Japanese knew they had atomic bombs and figured out what cities America would drop them on, then Japan would've moved their operations, factories, and people to different locations while moving in American POWs to be bombed instead. It needed to be a surprise. • There was an estimation of the cost of invading Japan. Now, cost in this instance means lives of human beings, not just money. Hundreds of thousands of lives were thought to be lossed, civilian and soldier alike. America also knew that Japan would prolong the war as long as possible, depleting them of money, resources, and lives. Dropping the atomic bomb was thought to bring a swift surrender, even though it would cost the lives of thousands. The estimation of the dropping of the bombs was in between 30 to 60 thousand. This wasn't the case, but no one could actually knew what the damage would've been. So, it seemed more sensible to drop the bombs. • Put yourself in Truman's shoes for a minute. He was a very humble and kind man. Now, he has to make a decision that no matter what would effect the course of humanity. He knows soldiers, sons and fathers, were still fighting in the Pacific. How do you look someone in the eyes when his or her son or father has been killed knowing you had the technology to end it several months or years earlier? At that point, it wasn't about how many lives would be lost, it was either America or Japan. Though this was the most unethical option, it was the only option... - Hiroshima and Nagasaki, though not direct military bases, were strategic for attack. The factories that created most of Japan's weaponry and munitions were located in those citites, making them vital target locations. Unfortunately, civilians also live in cities. American aircraft actually dropped flyers describing the atomic bomb a day before the bombing as a type of warning. Hiroshima, bombed on August 6th of 1945, witnessed the most destructive weapon mankind has ever built. The Japanese were hesitant to surrender. The Emperor was a weak leader, under control of General Tojo. The Japanese military and people were something new during this time. The only way to defeat this type of mentality of fighting to the very end, killing you self not to be taken by the enemy, fighting with an extreme passion, and never surrender in the eyes of many was to kill as many as possible. 3 days later, Nagasaki was bombed. - The Emperor couldn't stand to see his people suffer and die like this. He urged for a surrender. However, the military still had the last say and refused to. The Japanese government let the 2nd bomb happen. They could've prevented the 2nd bomb from happening, but let it be dropped on its own people to "test" the U.S.. Russia then got involved several days later by threatening to invade Japan. Japan knew they couldn't handle more atomic bombs and an invasion, and formally surrendered on September 2nd of 1945. - After it all, an estimated 200 thousand lives were lost to the dropping of those bombs and the Japanese economy was ruined. However, America didn't sit back and watch them suffer. America helped them rebuild their economy and country for 10 years after WW2, which resulted in Japan years later to be greatly prospering. To this day, the constitution for Japan is known as the MacArthur Constitution because he introduced many of the new policies for Japan during the reconstruction. I might be missed a few more important points, but these are definitely strong ones to think about. Just thought I'd do this because of my history class. Been awhile since I've done something worth talking about, might as well be this. Please keep it serious as we are talking about a sensitive topic. No arguments or bait for this one (maybe the next one).
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  • Only to a nationalist. Just keep in mind that the US continued to bomb Japan after both the atrocities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki on the day of Japan's surrender, they had already issued their surrender but it 'hadn't been received yet'. The US love to flex their muscles and this was an ideal time to do that with the soviet union as the next big threat. Unfortunately this is terrorism by definition and anybody with any kind of moral compass would vilify it, unless they had been brainwashed not to of course.

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    • It was during war and the Japanese wouldn't surrender....so we gave them incentive.....so to speak.

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    • Yes da only way to stop evil is by destroyng its gooky hart,they started it by blasting our shit first so those bullies had to learn with great power comes great responsibility,,,,shinra tensei!!!!!

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    • Yes of course

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    • 699 replies strong Mass Hole

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      • 1st of all.. you make me want to play cod 2, cod 3, and cod World at war. 2nd. Japan slaughter people in China and was not going to stop.. I believe they deserved it. They kill woman and children, so we kill theirs. They learned in a lesson.

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      • Just remember this. America preaches to the world about who and who shouldn't have nuclear weapons when they are the ONLY ones who have used one in anger.

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        • A direct invasion of Japan would be horrible

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        • The killing of civilians is never justified

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          • To me, it was neither wrong nor right. True, if they never bombed Nagasaki and Hiroshima the war would've prolonged and the potential casualties would've rises aswell. America did warn the Japanese with flyers the day before but they decided to ignore them. When they dropped the first Bomb, it was clearly saying how much power they have. They couldve dropped bombs to decimate the entire country if they had a war monger as the leader of the operation. But as I said in the beginning, It was neither wrong not right.

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            • If you have taken a history class on the subject you would see that they were justified

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            • Yes, after their attack on pearl harbor, they got off light.

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            • Yes. They were NOT going to surrender. In fact, they didn't! It took TWO bombs to get the emperor involved.[spoiler]also the said our moms were fat[/spoiler]

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            • They could have dropped one in Moscow.

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            • Yes it was completely justified. If the war had kept going we would have lost a lot more lives.

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            • Military necessity

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            • Probably could have just hit either/or.

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            • >Pearl Harbor attack-8:15 am >Hiroshima bombing-8:15 am We tell really funny jokes.

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            • Justified or not we were screwed regardless if we didn't we may have lost the war. But we did and who's going to trust the only country to use nuclear weapons during a war

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            • Well either 200,000 Japanese would die or between 500,000-1,000,000 Americans would die and countless Japanese would also die. Numbers don't lie, the answer is obvious

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              • If the bombs hadn't been dropped, the fighting would have continued. Possibly countless more people could have died on both sides than who died when the two bombs were dropped. Whether or not that justifies the dropping of the nukes, I don't know, because most of the people who actually did die were civilians. A bad situation all around.

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              • This should belong on a destiny forum

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                • Go watch, "the fog of war," featuring Robert McNamara.

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                • It was a primary attempt to scare russia, well up until russia developed there own nuclear bombs. Still besides the point and the matter has been debated for nearly a century now and there some people who consider them self activist against this. Was it Justified? Yes it was because, if it wasn't for those nuclear bombs you would have been speaking russian and japanese. The scare factor worked and it was stellar.

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                  • I think it really depends on how you define 'combatants'. A broad enough definition (like those we use today) could arguably consider the greater Japanese population... However, if we look at them as civilians rather than combatants or imminent combatants.. It paints a whole different picture. But consider the reverse situation... Had Japan nukes the US, would we still call it justifiable... Or being on the receiving end would we condemn it. I'd think most would do the latter because of bias.

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                  • Every great civilization was built on the death of innocent lives. Is it justified only God can make that judgement. Innocent people will continue to loose there lives in the future. War is inevitable because of human nature. As long as there is greed, insecurity, jealousy, fear, he human manipulation of religion (not going to say organized religion because not all sects are bad) and that human instinct not only to survive but thrive, war will always exist. Only God can make any justifications for any action. It is blind arrogance to believe we are so powerful to be able to justify anything. My personal opinion - I would have dropped the bombs over Japan any day. My justification to save an estimated million GI's from the casualties of invasion, but once again I am only human.

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