Spoken like a true shotty noob. Are you crying because running around the map with a shotty is the only strategy you can come up with?

Running a shotgun as a primary to be an aggressive flanking rusher, or crouching camper has become ridiculously prevalent to the point it's annoying for everyone, even veteran players to the crucible such as myself. I hate maps like Asylum or the Anomaly because of this. It's funny how people who shotgun rush on Asylum or Anomaly do terribly on maps like Shores of Time, or The Burning Shrine on Mercury. It's because they must engage with their primary on those maps much more. In my opinion, people shouldn't be able to rush spawns and OHK 3-4 people before they have a chance to even get their bearings. I've been in fire teams with people running shotguns as a primary, and we literally have decimated the other unorganized team from one spawn to the next before they have a chance to form a strategy or even understand what just happened to them. This way of playing isn't fair to new players just trying to get the layout of the map and how the HUD works for them. The current flow of battle is way too in-your-face and aggressive and doesn't give time for people to actually exchange fire or blows with anyone. Leaving a bitter taste in the mouth of the OHK victim. To me, the point of the engagement is for there to be some sort of an exchange of fire, and see who has better aim and/or strafing skill. It's one reason I prefer my LDR sniper over any shotgun you hand me. I think the blink shotgunners are those who will suffer most with this special ammo reduction because they never bothered to use a strategy of aiming at people to get kills, only their ability to flank using map awareness. I understand that map awareness and getting the drop on people using your radar and cover is, in and of itself, a strategy. But, I simply don't have respect for people who run shotgun as their primary and just try and flank unsuspecting people who are in the midst of engaging other players with their primary. For example, in the bottlenecking area of B on either side of the Asylum on Venus, blinking shotgunners always like to take the underground stairway or the window area to jump through and one shot people who are engaging their team with their primary. Most of the time those people are in the midst of ADSing so it's no surprise when they are unaware of this rusher play to blink in and engage them up close with shotgun. Perhaps I could respect this type of play if done sometimes, but when people do this as their main game playing style it's downright annoying. Also people just respawn with more ammo if they die, so there is no risk in running this balls-out strategy. As long as they get two people before they die they can appear to be good players in the end-game stats. I personally, welcome this ammo change and hope it forces people to play more carefully with their engagements because this kamikaze unlimited ammo shotgun approach is annoying as hell.

I think the people with icebreakers and invective will simply eqiup them. Then of course the forum will light up like the 4th of July. Then those two exotics will promptly be nerfed into the ground. Just like the primary weapons, they haven't fixed anything. They simply traded one problem for another.

Legit, -blam!-ing. Crucibabies need to shut up

I worried on the backlash that will happen when this happens. Better get used to perfect aimers with last word and thorn to rule the crucible. Way to undo the work to evening out the crucible.

What's their response to the Invective

To be completely honest, more people run around the crucible with shotguns and final round snipers than actual primaries. I see this decision as a good one so that people actually use their primaries, primarily over their secondaries. One comes first before the other. This change does in fact make special ammo more special and valuable so that a guy doesn't just decide to run into a room with a shotgun because he's fully loaded with ammo for it. This change again is better because it makes supers more valuable too. instead of spamming it as soon as you get it you might save it for when the heavy ammo comes around so you can wipe the entire opposing team.

I agree, crucible gets more generic with each patch.

Note: We've been asking for changes to the way special ammo works in Crucible since before the game launched. Even though the two issue correlate it doesn't necessarily prove that shotgun balance is the cause. Our concern when advocating for changes to special ammo drops were based on the fact that people are able to use their powerful secondary weapons, be they fusion rifles, shotguns, or sniper rifles, as though they were primary weapons. This was an issue because it allowed you to exclusively use a powerful secondary weapon for the duration of the match. They're powerful tools, and we wanted them to seem that way. We want to have to think about how we use our resources in the Crucible, and this was a good change. I do agree that the slow use of heavy ammo over time was an interesting dynamic, and I know we didn't ask for any change in that regard. However, I will respect their decision and see what the future holds before I judge them too harshly. I know they want to change the pacing of the match, and we don't know how this will work in conjunction with the special ammo changes. Now that both types of ammo are more valuable I'm interested to see how the meta shifts accordingly. As for the Titans, I would like to see more Defenders in PvP using suppression grenades on Hunter supers anyway. But hey, that's just me. I dislike how irrelevant the Titan bubble is in the face of anyone using a shotgun so I'm alright with the change. Still, we don't know how rare special ammo will be exactly, so it may not prove to be as much of an issue as we think. I'll hold off until we know the specifics. As for you last comments, I only have on thing to say in response. Isn't this already CoD with space magic? They're certainly using the CoD formula, although this does have an actual skill gap based on the TTK and headshots.

It will also make getting the thorn bounty done a lot harder seeing as people either use a void shotgun or void fusion rifle to get it done