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4/7/2015 11:59:24 PM
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Should Felwinter's Lie Die?
I have been killed by Felwinter's Lie over and over again. What should Bungie do? I mean, it is the most OP gun in the game. Why can't we have an exotic that is as OP as even the base model. Seriously think about this...
I want Bungie to put out a cool graph and show how many kills in crucible are coming from Felwinter's Lie, like they did with the auto rifle (AR's). Wait, let's talk about the AR's. Bungie killed the AR's, the world's best defense against people getting close to you and killing you with one shot from an OP shotgun. Here lies the rub. They destroyed the AR's and introduced a one shot, close range to semi mid range, killing machine. One shot! time to kill... the time it takes to pull the trigger. You know, like golden gun. Sheesh.
What I hate most about this is that it make PvP unbearable. This last weekend they had combined arms and it was awesome because I wasn't killed by Felwinter's all the time. I mean I was still killed by it a bunch but far less the all of the small maps they have. But that is just the thing... all the maps are small.
If you don't have this gun which can only be gotten if you play a crap ton of PvP in which you will be almost exclusively killed by this gun, don't worry, you can buy this gun. Yup, you can buy the most OP gun in the game. There is no raid gun that is better, there is no exotic that is better. So everyone get in line and play Iron Banner to get this gun so that you can kill each other with this gun and then use ever abundant common game currency so that you can reforge this gun so that you can kill other with this gun better then they can kill you with this gun.
Let me say this again... there is no raid gun, and no exotic that is better then this gun. All of the maps in most of the PvP platforms are small. With Felwinter's Lie there is no need for golden gun, because the time you take for aiming at someone you can jump toward then and shoot in their direction and then they will die. In my opinion, if Bungie were to ban this gun the game would only get better.
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2 RepliesWheres the option to do nothing and leave it alone?
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Come on dude really? lol everyone is giving u a hard time but i feel you though but you gotta understand that Felwinters lie is a Iron Banner gun, if you were there the first time felwinters lie and gheleons dimise was shown then you were like "Holy crap! i gotta get those". Felwinters lie is OP but.... The fire rate makes it so you cant go on kill feeds like you would with either a Judgement or Found verdict because its freakishly slow, only a hand full of players have mastered the pump action cancel on that gun and honestly once you've mastered that then you deserve to have that gun because its an elite gun especially if you reforged it right.
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I miss ban all pvp wankers from this game!!
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2 RepliesFunny we never really hear complaints about Jolder's hammer which is a hmg beast, or the Ghelon's Demise that can roll perks to be a "Fate bringer" scout rifle basically.
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2 RepliesHave you considered that maybe you're just not that good?
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Just one example of a shotgun that beats the lie in every aspect expect a minimum amount of impact. http://imgur.com/Io33UK9 If the lie gets nerfed or changes in any aspect so should all shotguns. No more nerfs.
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You're missing the "everyone had an opportunity to buy it from the vendor; quit crying" option. It's kinda shifty to have a poll where every single option agrees with you.
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Try fusion rifles. Hip fired fusion rifles are a great counter to FL. Plays great on the size of maps we have now. Backpedal if they run at you and hip fire. It's pretty easy to identify and kill a shotgun user once you start trying this strategy. They always run straight at you afterall. Light of the Abyss and Plan C are my favorite Felwinter killers because of their hip fire accuracy bonuses. B)
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OP is OP, plz nerf
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2 RepliesEveryone had the option to acquire this weapon so I dont understand what the big deal is. If you didn't get it when you were able to or choose not to use it that's your own fault....
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Hmm no option to nerf the OP, so..... Yes! Every weapon, super, and melee needs a nerf so that this game will be unplayable by everyone! That way we don't have to read another post about nerfing weapons, supers, and melees from cry babies.
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Quit crying about getting killed with a shotgun... they didn't buff them in PvP so your just being a crybaby... Its a -blam!-ing shotgun regardless of what its called or what perks it has on it shouldn't even matter the shotguns in this game are so far from realistic its shameful... My Mossberg could put a person down at an easy 30-50 feet... Few of the shotguns in Destiny can reach 30 feet so if you want something to die just let them kill the crucible its the failure point of this game anyways... Everybody is always bitching about it crying about OP weapons and ruining the game for the rest of us that prefer not playing the garbage... Bungie spends WAY too much time and money on that crappy game mode and let the main part of the game (PvE) suffer for it
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5 RepliesEdited by DanVanCool: 4/8/2015 7:24:32 PMThe gun is just fine. If they have the sniper version, they likely got lucky or spent anywhere from 1-1000 motes of light for the perfect roll. Motes are easy to get but to acquire enough to chance the perfect rolls with, is deserving to have a little OP mixed in it. Not to mention IB is more difficult for some to grid though, so if they stick it out to get a good weapon and spend for good perks. All the power to you. Maps are an issue too. That's been mentioned already.
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They should leave it alone. Invective, 4th horseman, found verdict or any other shotgun with good perks kill just as easy. No one used them before but everyone does now. Felwinter's that was sold during IB has great perks. You should've bought one if you didn't. I use other Felwinter's and shotguns without the hammer forged/range finder combo and people still run right me... hard not to miss. I get killed by them as well. -=200 guardian tears collected=- bounty complete
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1 ReplyBuff autorifles
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12 RepliesThe problem is the maps, not the weapons. Shotguns are king. Why is that? Its not because shotguns wreck people, it is because in your average Crucible gunfight, you are between 5 and 20 feet away from your target. Nerf Felwinters Lie, and another shotty will take its place (especially with Hand Cannons being the only mid-range weapon able to offer any resistance). The problem is the maps. You want to see less shotguns? We are going to need maps that allow more mid-range and long range engagements.
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1 ReplyJust to be completely clear... I am not arguing that FL should be Nerfed. I am hypothesizing that FL is the most used gun in PvP. I am pointing out all of the circumstances that have caused this legendary weapon to be the most used gun in PvP. I am stating that Bungie acknowledged there was a problem with shotgun in PvP then released a shotgun that ignored all of the nerfs they imposed on shotgun. That same nerf also hit AR's which are the best way to defend against shotgun fire because basically all of the PvP map are close range maps. I don't really care if you call me names but please don't put words in my mouth. I am also not the only person who thinks this. Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka-ALc8z7bo
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2 RepliesThe crucibaby strikes again! Whining at the speed of light! Unable to adapt to anything around him, and determined to ruin weapons for PVE players!
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1 ReplyThere are like 500 threads on this, and again.... The gun itself is not OP. I'm willing to bet that ~75% of players who use it for PVP will have hammer forged and shot package/rangefinder. It's just a high impact shotgun with a god awful RoF and reload. As somebody who uses pretty often and I don't have either hammer forged or shot package/rangefinder I can tell you with 100% confidence that the range is not good. Plus the fact that it only takes 2 motes to re roll it to get those perks makes it the most accessible for those 2-3 perks. So it isn't the gun, You're saying nerf the perks to which I say to you...... No, simply no
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3 RepliesThere is a counter to every weapon in the game. The problem is maps, to many tight corridors, this makes excellent shotgun play. Try sticky grenades, yes you may also die but the sheer satisfaction of him exploding after you are down will slightly mend those deep shotgun wounds. I have one myself and have noticed Found Verdict is a decent counter. Use those conners to your advantage, bring back the Halo wall jump. I use the wall jump and typically take the shot gunners by surprise, it's a amazing technique. Just play around with it.
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1 ReplyHammer Forged + Rangefinder/Shot Package is what needs a nerf. The PvP is completely broken thanks to Felwinter's
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1 ReplySecret handshake hands down better. The one you buy from vanguard.
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Edited by Hypnotize: 4/8/2015 6:05:50 PMI don't play much PVP, but I would like the ARs to be buffed, or back to their original state.
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No thanks.
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8 RepliesEdited by XTempistX: 4/8/2015 4:28:01 PMIt's not the weapon dude. A base Felwinters Lie is absolute junk. The perks Rangefinder, Hammerforged, and Shot Package is whats killing you. If any other shotgun had these perks on them at the same time, they would be more powerful than the Felwinters Lie because the Felwinters Lie has the worse rate of fire ever and the reload speed is just as bad. Asking to make an already crap weapon (without previously stated perks) worse is flat out silly. If someone shoots at me with that thing and it doesn't kill me while I have a shotgun ready, they die. If it was any other shotgun with those perks, they would have a way better chance of dropping me. Auto Rifles need to be fixed. I agree with you on that
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If it starts with Nerf, it ends with GTFO
