I'm not quite following your post here. If your calling me inexperienced I'm not... I have over 1000 hrs. As for the BladeDancer, it is broken. Due to the high mobility and damage reduction. They can take a fully upgraded Felwinter's Lie with maximum impact point blank and shrug it off. They can take rocket impacts near them and shrug it off. They are too Tanky and mobile. It's supposed to be an mobile assassin class not a juggernaut. Also your post has a very egocentric nature to it. 'Bungie took away my favourite toy to balance it compare to other things.' The state of Pulse Rifles Pre-Patch 1.1.1 was awful. Now I will agree that the Auto Rifle Nerf was a bit harsh, however I think after this Iron Banner Bungie will reevaluate the weapon balance. The fact that Red Death was sold just before the Iron Banner was no coincidence. They are still working on balance and this Iron Banner was the experiment.

the latest patch was the straw that broke the camels back for me re weapon nerfs.. do you like this better "bungies idiotic and needless nerfs of pretty much every weapon class (except heavy and scout rifles) has just disgusted me with pvp"... add in the fact they added these nerfs to pve as well (while demonstrating with shotgun boost to dmg in pve only, that it is possible to segregate pvp/pve adjustments)..im just disgusted with they actions since release in general... its not that my favourite weapon was nerfed..they nerfed everything way too much...repeatedly...while at the same time telling everyone how they should be playing destiny (and if we don't use the guns they want, or too many people use a specific gun or gun type they nerf it and "tweak it" until they get whatever it is they have decided they want us to do...many of us purchased this game for the PVE experience....the headline was create your own legend..but the reality is "do what we say, and don't send us feedback bc we only listen to and cater to complainers in pvp" and i am just tired of it...and your post is simply a more polite and non whiny request for even more nerfing...its just ridiculous too me. also i never said you were inexperienced..just said that 1) supers are OP for every class...thats kinda the point 2) there are things you can do to help counter other peoples supers (i.e. heavy, your own super..lol hiding) 3) even if someone does kill you with their super..u respawn 5 sec later...so go kill them with yours...4) all this random nerfing to everything is ruining what was the best thing about destiny (the shooting). honestly i just don't get what the big deal is...hunters supers are too tanky? in pvp they tried to make all classes equally viable...and they succeeded. its fine as is...they don't need to waste more time and resources fixing what isn't broken while ignoring real game problems. i don't really care that they are "still working on weapon balance"...the only reason they have to do this is bc they won't leave them alone in the first place....pulse rifles needed a buff...so what...they didn't need to nerf everything else as well (and not just with the recent patch but before that as well) ..but they did. now everyone uses pulse rifles...all they do is screw things up more when they mess with it like this...look at the forums here...seriously have a look...there is a forum topic for the nerfing of everything you can imagine that exists in this game....catering to this type of nonsense is just ruining what was a fun experience. people die in pvp...its pvp...go back and kill them its literally that simple. people can't spam supers in pvp...so a person got a cheap arcblade kill..who cares..kill them and move on...honestly...people really seem to overthink some of this stuff way way too much...and instead of enjoying what we had it has to be constantly messed with..which as bungie is learning ends up with nobody being happy.

I don't think you understand the point of nerfing things. Bungie isn't saying 'Hey look you like that ice cream cone... I'm going to smash it in your face.' Nerfinghas such a negative vibe to it. They are Re-Balancing just because lots of people like Auto-Rifles doesn't mean they should neglect the other weapon classes. As for supers you said yourself changes have been effecting the gunplay. Supers aren't related to gunplay. Now looking at Arcblade compared to other supers like I have stated above it is broken here is why: Fist of Havok: A one and done super which triggers fast can Potentially kill multiple people if they are clustered together. Nova Bomb: A one and done super which can be launched at range can again kill if clustered together. Golden Gun: An ongoing super with no damage resistance can one shot people from a range and potentially with combustion kill groups. This ability also lasts for a long duration. Sunsinger: An ongoing super with the ability to throw lots of grenades. These grenades either need to stick or have to hit the enemy twice. No damage resistance unless the radiant skin is selected. Although even with Radiant Skin Warlocks aren't mobile enough and can be easily dispatched with focused fire. This ability also lasts for a long duration. Defender Bubble: A stationary super. Locks the ability in place and can give various abilities. Can be destroyed with another super. Requires the user to use it tactically to make the most of it. Arcblade: A mobile ability with 50% damage resistance the ability to one hit kill players. The ability to teleport with blink selected. The ability to heal them-self when killing a player. The ability to created mini AoE attacks with show stopper. In addition to being highly mobile. This ability also lasts for a long duration. Doesn't require enemies to group up and can very easily kill multiple people. If honestly believe the Arcblade is balanced you are delusional and bias. I encourage you to go make a Titan or Warlock and play them. Also Titans and Warlocks should not have to waste their hard earned super to counter Arcblade it's not balanced. I'm not going to argue with you anymore on the matter everything that needs to be said is either in my initial post or directly above this paragraph.

look dude..you can look at this however you want. its your opinion..you like weapon nerfing. thats great for you. but me and my clan...my friends and most of the forum posters disagree with you. you and bungie can call nerfing "re balancing" as much as you want..its still stupid and reduces peoples enjoyment of the game....and at the end of the day whatever you wanna call it, bungie has been slowly but surely increasing the time it takes to kill anything in this game by nerfing and re nerfing weapons repeatedly....so do i like the fact many weapons do way way less damage..just so bungie can pad their numbers even further when they talk about how long people play the game during a day? no I don't. Do i like the fact pvp whiners who get killed by people in pvp by a specific gun start a thread to then have that weapon nerfed? no..i don't..i think that its stupid as well. arcblade and the golden gun both run out after you kill a few people...so if you miss a person...or after you kill like 3 people its over...its not like you can keep chaining the kills together endlessly...so what..on another class warlock/titan if everyone is grouped you can get 3-5 kills with your super...with a hunter gunslinger you can get 3 shots (but you can miss) 4 shots with the right exotic and arcblade has similar restrictions in that time runs out and each kill reduces the remaining time of arcblade as well...(so again its not like they can just chain togther a bunch of kills..lol they get around the same as the other classes.) again its just different....lol i have all 32 characters for each class..but thanks douche...i guess bc i disagree with you i don't know how to play the game...ugh.

Your an idiot mate. All I have to say. If you think because Bungie experiments with gun balanace to try to make a fair playing field for all weapons that they are on the wrong path your just stupid. What is the point of playing a game where there is only one good weapon class and one really good class to play? That would suck shit and would kill variety. I don't care if you think I'm a douche because I would rather a few 'noobie' Hunter's who can't adjust to a slight 17% decrease to Arcblade's ridiculous 50% damage reduction not like me, then have it blow the other classes out of the water. Also if you have all 32 characters on each class why the hell are you opposed to bringing them all into line? Do you only play Bladedancer for PvP or something? You can't honestly say that Arcblade is not OP compared to the other Subclasses.

talking with you is pointless...bungie is ruining the game..your contributing to it...and your an asshole as well.

Ya I'm a asshole, we should still have pulse rifles be a useless weapon class. Also fusion rifles should still be able to one shot people from 20m+ away. Also all the exotic buffs should never have happened. Also shotguns should never have had their range nerfed (twice) we should be able to one shot people from at least 10m away with Felwinter's Lie... We also should all be running Suros Regime exclusively because screw variety... Your the asshole here mate. You can't get over that they made something you use to use less Overpowered. People like you are what is holding this game back.

people like you are why nobody is playing this game anymore..me included...i have tried logging in a few times in the past few weeks and quit after about 30 minutes.... when people like you get all your wishes pvp is gonna be a wasteland bc only people like you will be left...which will be poetic justice as you will all deserve each other...pve is already turning into one as all these nerfs have pretty muched ruined experience. pulse rifles and exotics could have been buffed without nerfing other things...sucky exotics could also have been buffed without zealous nerfing of other exotics that then had to be unnerfed a bit...i.e. mythoclast...

I'll take the awesome wasteland your talking about with the balanced weapons and classes. Don't let the door slam you on the way out.

balanced to you and a few others only...door won't only be hitting me...this game is losing players in droves thanks to people like you.. enjoy

Wah wah they nerfed my OP Mythoclast. Wah Wah they are trying to balance auto-rifles and need to play around tweaking them. Cry more... the Destiny community will be better off without the likes of you. I know exactly what type of player you are. Flocking to the most OP stuff in the game and then whine when they balance things and take away your crutch weapon. If you think Bungie doesn't know what their doing go make your own game.

yup..your a genius...you must work for bungie already...your disconnect with reality and belief that only you know what everyone wants is what gives you away

Thanks for acknowledging my genius. Also if you will note I have plenty of people that agree with me. Please just stop replying and embarrassing yourself further.

too stupid too get sarcasm i see...not surprised. sigh...

I know it was sarcasm... I just chose to ignore it. Literally every reply you have come up with has been calling me stupid or a dick. In addition to you arguing with progress and change. Even worse is you offer no alternative that would make things better. If in history, the world was made up of more people like you, we wouldn't have the technology to have this 'debate' (if you could call it that) on... We would be in the Stone Age. So I say again please stop making an ass of yourself... as your replies have devolved into stupid retorts calling me stupid and an 'problem' with the game. When in fact the complete opposite is true and YOU are the issue with the game and are opposed to progress and change.

nope it was cool till your replies starting insulting my ability to play the game via condescending comments...then it devolved. bungie had years to develop the game...and did an extended beta. Even after this some guns did need buffing. the first nerf on shotguns were necessary for pvp. making a jump that i am anti technology simply bc i don't want bungie to nerf everything is not an accurate reflection of what i am saying...the way you argue seems to be to start with condescension and then go to the gutter from there... saying i am the problem with the game is basically you using the same argument you are claiming i am using..? so i use that and im stupid and wrong and yet you use the same argument to argue your side and that makes you right? i am not opposed to progress and change, i am opposed to having the gaming experience i paid for ruined by people who constantly whine and complain about everything being too overpowered (in this instance i am not counting you among the whiners). your arguments are well argued, but to me they focus things in the wrong direction..removing things from the game vs adding them. bungie has been steadily ruining the gunplay in this game by repeated weapon nerfs..and requests like yours to start nerfing classes as well just goes way overboard in my opinion. its also my opinion that all these nerfs are ruining the game in general, and the numerous msg boards set up to support this indicate that i am not alone in this opinion. you had 20 people out of a community of millions like your post...but you use that as support for your argument and how your right....? with those numbers you are less than 0.1 % of the destiny gaming population. There are literally hundreds of posts with thousands of likes/support for the view that all this nerfing has to stop. there are still people posting now to nerf handguns and autorifles...again..even after the last patch. Basically if some people die from an ability/gun in this game they automatically assume it must be OP and needs to be nerfed. Then people who play the game for months who wanted to get a really good gun in the game get something that has been nerfed to death and is about as effective as an actual nerf gun...the dissapointment with bungie and anger from the gaming community at the many ways in which they have not listed to their main audience, and or spent a lot of time taking choice away from the game is what is killing this game. for example, if i like AR, or handcannons, or another weapon type..and they all get nerfed and then pulse rifles get a buff...that isn't being allowed to "create your own legend" that is basically being fenced in and forced to play the weapons bungie has now decided need to be played more. There are already people clamoring to have pulse rifles nerfed now..lol this type of thing never ends. Every hour bungie devotes to nerfing something, and then nerfing something else to constantly try to "re-balance" things is an hour they are not 1) making any new content 2) fixing the severe glitches with this game 3) working on dedicated pvp servers 4) doing anything to increase the amount of player choice in the game. Maybe i am just cynical man...its possible. But when i see that the dmg i do with pretty much every weapon now..i see bungie inflating their stats bc it now takes everyone longer to kill stuff...which means more time having to play the game to do the same stuff..which means they can say they have people playing for longer every day (which is all activision apparently cares about). it also artificially increases the difficulty of the game (so instead of creating more intelligent AI, or creating unique challenges) what did they do since the last expansion? well they nerfed weapons, increased the level of enemies in crotas end for HM, and made the game harder for people who want to solo strikes. you say your for progress but when i see all the things bungie could be doing to help the game progress by getting better, less glitchy, more content, more inventive AI, new quests/missions, an actual story etc...and yet all the patch notes are about pvp/pve nerfs? it shows me that bungie is putting its energy where it is least effective...bungie is like a politician answering a question...hey bungie what about the content? story? glitches, how come you guys fix raid exploits in a week but it took 6 months to fix heavy ammo glitch? Bungie: well guys have a look at our patch notes bc we are so committed to you the player and a balanced experience...we have nerfed everything for you...to help you of course. sorry man..when legitimate questions get ignored by bungie..but they jump all over anything to do with nerfing its hard to be happy about it based on the above...its also hard to not be angry that they are consistently wasting their time when they good be making this game great. again thats my opinion. i shouldn't have let myself get angry at your post where you were insulting my ability to play this game by insinuating i needed to try the other classes etc...the way that bungie is squandering the many opportunities to improve this game is really making me angry (lol i am not alone from the msg boards) as new posts are added daily. so i guess we will have to agree to disagree..but i tell you what i would like to see that might change your mind. Bungie actually spending time and energy on addressing the real problems with this game (that i mentioned above). then maybe i would have more time for their attempts at "weapon balancing". and maybe you would have the opportunity to see what great things they could do to help this game become something amazing (that can actually keep you entertained and have a great fleshed out story with characters you actually care about, and AI that makes you work to get to the end of the level through its deviousness..and not its cheapness the way it does now.

I simply suggested you replay the classes and formulate your opinion that way. You can look back and you started the name calling by calling me a douche. Also you have assumed that I don't care about the other facets of the game... Which I do. You realize Bungie has multiple teams right? There are people whose sole role is fixing raids/PvE, there is a PvP team, there is a weapon balancing team & etc. You have pulled a 180 from saying balancing is bad to saying balancing is alright unless it is Auto-Rifles and Handcannons. I agreed that the auto-rifle nerf was over-zealous however the weapon design team are working on it. You can't expect them to have it right the first time. It takes time and experimentation. Also there is a large part of the community who enjoy the recent changes having given pulse rifles a place and reducing the effectiveness of fusion rifles at ridiculous ranges. You also can't just take the 20 up votes I have and assume they are the only people who think the classes need reworking... There are plenty of forums especially blade dancer specific threads out there regarding class balance (at least I'm not bias as I actually have the class). If your mad about connection and PvE content that's not the weapon design team's problem. Also my Anti-Change analogy was because in the majority of your previous replies you were just that...anti-change, until you pulled a 180 on your last post.

as i said...condescension about needing to play other classes...talking down to people is not conducive to expressing your point of view...but i digress....you realize that if bungie has multiple teams as you suggest..then WTF have they been doing for 7months? it hasn't been addressing the major issues raised by the community..its been weapon nerfs..nerfs..nerfs. what your saying might make sense if you could back that up with all the proof of them addressing said issues..but since i have been playing this game since it started i know that hasn't occurred..and i have read the patch notes. People have listed raid issues, pvp servers (lack of them), glitches, requests for more content, more vault space, more choice, more story, etc. With all of these multiple teams should by your own statement be out there addressing these issues...instead 7 months into the game bungie released patch notes saying their goal was to address vault space (1 issue + some of the major raid issues)..almost a 8 months after the game is released..they are now talking about working on the issues that were raised in the first weeks the game came out. Sorry but i don't buy that they have multiple teams working these issues at all. never said pulse rifles didn't need a buff..just said everything else didn't need to be nerfed to make them viable. also i said that constant nerfing was not necessary and that they were ruining the game through constant nerfs. tuning a particular weapons perks or something or buffing it when its needed it ya fine...but lowering the dmg values several times on specific exotics like suros (bc too many people used it supposedly), then the nerf/rebuff/nerf issues with mythoclast etc). constantly tinkering with shit is not helping when as i said there are other problems with the game. There are numerous games out there that have powerful weapons, that are also first person shooters, and yet somehow people are able to play them and figure out what to do in the game without asking the developers to nerf the shit out of everything...call of duty series, battlefield etc..all have various weapons...yet they aren't nerfing the crap out of everything...you don't see ":hey that guy killed me in a tank..tanks are OP..nerf that nerf that"...people attack them from the air, multiple directions etc. so instead of a gaming culture where people are motivated to figure stuff out on their own, now the easy answer is to apparently just have the game changed to make it easier . gun balancing and crap like that should account for like 10% of the work they do on this game...not the 90% it currently does. The sheer fact so many issues have been ongoing for the past several months tells me that bungie either doesn't have several teams like you said (as if they did these things would have been addressed by them months ago and a plan would have been laid out for how and when they would be fixed). Of course the other potential answer is the one that is seeming just as likely to me now, which is that they just don't give a shit. regarding getting it right the first time and how difficult it is...its not...at least not for this company. I bought this game bc of my experience with the halo games...the multiplayer was perfect. Balanced out of the gate (you all started with the same weapon and had to find weapons in the map) (which IMO is how it should be now in destiny)...then all the whining about this weapon is OP would be even more pointless..lol people would just have to get to that spot on the map faster or take a team and fight their way to that point. Bungie knows multiplayer..they figured it out many times for their previous games...i just don't get how they are screwing it up so much now. before this game came out anybody with any experience in multiplayer would have been the first to say that pvp and pve should have been seperate (This would have solved at least some of teh problems). additionally, starting everyone with the same weapon would give newbs a chance, and really place a much bigger impact on your class and what supers you had, since weapons would only spawn at certain intervals during the match. they had a system that worked and they did not implement it, since they didn't seperate the two (pve and pvp) they are constantly going back and forth messing with weapons and in their efforts to fix pvp..they are abolutely killing the pve experience, and the pvp experience as well, and based on what was adverstised by bungie and what was delivered it feels like i paid full price for the beta...while they "work out all the kinks". for such a large experienced company, partnered with activision (an even larger and more experienced company) this is just unacceptable.