Yes

So destiny should've been a shitty pay to win game? I'll pass.

Go play war frame then, why are you here.

Warframe in later game is still pretty grindy

warframe is a fun game, but not for everyone. Don't bring it up here just so it can get dragged through the mud.

I've said it before, I'll say it again. [spoiler]WARFRAME SUCKS[/spoiler]

Played it, didn't like it. I can't handle the cheesiness and the feel of it. Everything world-wise feels disconnected.

I believe that warframe has more to offer, I see others say that it's pay to win when it isn't. I have cashed for some stuff like cosmetics but that's it but even then you don't have to for all cosmetics cause you get them in alerts, invasions and gaining rep in factions which to me Destiny also offers. Warframe is a grind which can be frustrating from times but you have more planets to explore and find plus the community is more friendly and let's not forget updates/expansions, Warframes is 100% free where as Destinys expansions cost money and becomes game breaking is there weekly and daily challenges if you don't have that update, so forces you to buy the updates if you want to actually get anywhere (Main reason I quit Destiny in the first place but still play every now and again when bored). Both Warframe and Destiny are good games, you will be grinding alot in both far as im concerned but Warframe just sticks more out to me because of the community, gameplay and general fun you have with others aswell as having enemy factions come out at you at any moment inside missions as well as the Stalker which can make missions more tense in terms of having to watch yourself, the mobs can be very dangerous like in Destiny with different variants of mobs with rockets, heavy machine guns, melee users and such. The one thing I do hate though is the people complaining about the microtransactions (WHICH YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY!) on a F2P game which is it's only income for the game but don't complain about the HAVE to buy expansions on Destiny for it to not be broken (I could be wrong about the expansions cause a patch to tell who does and doesn't have the expansions could have fixed that, I don't know, ain't been on the game in a while). I like Warframe more than I do Destiny as to me it have more to offer then Destiny.PvP is broken with the abilitys of the Hunter, Warlock and Titan as you can obtain them easily as I have seen on youtube the MLG wannabe pros getting a huge kill feed just cause of the hunter ability to melee everything in sight. Warframe on the other hand makes you have to be good at the PvP for you to use them and even then you ain't 100% granted a kill, Warframe also uses verticality to with it's parkor (It's so fun and a good feeling killing a enemy player with your gun while wall running). In the end I just feel that Warframe has more to offer as a F2P game then Destiny.

Agreed. I'm REALY bored of Destiny like seriously there's nothing new it's just get a weapon and do same shit but in Warframe this better and the missions don't have the same level it's randomized IMO Warframe is what Destiny should of been and Warframe does have micro transactions but you can get everything with not a single penny spent. Plus it has a actual story.

Warframe is fun. It is the only game I could play after playing the Alpha version of Destiny. I am currently back on Warframe farming for Nova Prime during this drought of content. I still get on to do nightfalls & weekly heroics tho

But is it assblaster proof?

Warframe is a way different style of game (i dont like it at all) and borderlands is awesome but theres only campaign mode which gets extremely annoying after 2 playthroughs

Its free and it not exactly pay to win. You can get the same stuff as the person who pays for them but instead of spending your money you have to spend your time in it (grinding like any other games).only the cosmetics are pay to get other than that everything can be earned.

"Free"

Nah