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originally posted in:Z7 Warriors
3/2/2015 7:06:27 PM
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The thing that pisses me off is all the douchenozzles who insist vender gear should max at 29 and we should be forced to grind each trash raid in turn like the raiders who love to bend over for Bungie every week.
I shouldn't have to raid to keep up with the rest of PvE, ever.
Vender gear going to light level 33 if the HoW raid goes to 34 is perfectly fine, as level 31 was fine for TDB.
Vender gear did not invalidate your VoG gear did, CE gear did you imbeciles.
[b]You [/b]replaced the VoG stuff with CE stuff without a backwards glance, trashing it like a bunch of greens.
[b]You [/b]invalidated it.
Your level 32 armor already gets you a leg above the rest of us normal PvE types, are you really such insecure jackwagons you feel like your existence doesn't have meaning unless you can lord it over the PvEasents even further?
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Do the raid you lazy Fûck!
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If you had any inclination about what you were actually talking about you wouldn't have posted this BS in the 1st place...regardless of how you perceive the game the fact remains if you want the best gear in the game...you do the blaming raids...end of! If you can't even bring yourself to challenge the end game material then you have a serious malfunction...why play the game if you didn't want to progress in beating the hardest and most fun content in the game, and at the same time upgrading your gear!?!...don't blame the game for your short comings as a player cuz you can't complete a raid...take it up with your lame ass self in the mirror...or just jog on back to Simcity!
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If you had any idea what *you* were talking about, like say, actually comprehending my post: You would notice I never asked for the best gear in the game without raiding. Or asked to hit level cap without raiding. I said I shouldn't have to raid to be capable of doing content that is not related to the raid. All I'm asking for is gear comparable to the level of the weekly/nightfall be available without raiding. That's it. A rather simple request that is apparently beyond the comprehension of the raiding community here.
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It is for -blam!-s sake. You can buy 31 gear, and the nightfall is 30. In the future, if they actually change it, it might be the same level. You seem to be asking for the nightfall to be easier?
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The entire point of this thread was my response to people saying the nightfall/weekly should be bumped to 32 in HoW and we should be capped at 29 without raid gear. Its not a complaint about the existing setup. What we have now is fine, and as long as it scales the same I have no complaint. But given the number of people pushing for the above change I felt the need to voice a dissenting opinion.
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Irrelevant... You lost the ability to get your point across in a constructive way in your 1st paragraph...by attacking Raiders! In your 1st post you highlight that all raiders bend over for Bungie by completing raids every week, and call pretty much every player taking part in the raids "imbeciles". This is the point you went full retard by alienating the majority of the post readers by insulting them. Then you seem surprised and begin to back peddle in response to the 90% negative community replies...by taking some "moral" high ground and explaining in individual posts what you were actually attempting to say..without an insult in sight i might add! I've completed over 70 raids on both VOG and CE which has been a great gaming experience, it's not only progressed my light level, gear, weapons, understanding and knowledge of the game, it has also given me a greater gaming experience & made me a much more solid player...how can these positives which reflects all raiders with more or less completions make us any kind of lapdogs to Bungie...or be a negative? You can't attack something if you have no prior knowledge, understanding or in depth experience, which is obviously the case with you regarding raids and the gamers that take part....which is completely naive. It's not the fault of the raiders if you lack any kind of conviction to take part...and if you want to make a constructive point to get positive feed back...then leave the insults out, and maybe you won't get such a community backlash.
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The only people I insulted are the ones saying I should be capped at 29 even if the weekly/nightfall are bumped to 32. I made that perfectly clear in my opening line. [quote]The thing that pisses me off is all the douchenozzles who insist vender gear should max at 29... [/quote] Anyone who is not [b]of that opinion [/b]has no reason to be insulted by my post (unless they choose to be anyway). Many made assumptions or jumped to conclusions about what I was talking about without really comprehending my post, correcting that is not "back-pedaling". And people looking to discuss or question the post don't automatically deserve to be insulted along with the vile people I was commenting on, so no I didn't insult people just for commenting, not even when missing blindingly obviously stated information in my OP. In cases where there was total lack of understanding I responded by pointing out [b]information available in the original post[/b]. [quote]I shouldn't have to raid to keep up with the rest of PvE, ever. [/quote] That one little line explained what I wanted entirely. After that I rant a bit about raiders who already have better than I do wanting to push me down further. [b]I did not call everyone who raids an imbecile.[/b] Again, my post was directed [b]specifically [/b]at a group that I, you guessed it, [b]outlined in my opening line.[/b] [quote]The thing that pisses me off is all the douchenozzles who insist vender gear should max at 29... [/quote] I referenced all the whining about vendor gear vs VoG gear as that's one of the primary arguments in trying to push the rest of us down. Instead of coming up with reasonable solutions it's "hey don't shaft us, shaft them" When arguably they were never truly shafted to begin with. Could it have been done better? Sure, as I and a number of others in this thread discussed. But that' wasn't the point of my post. It wasn't to get positive feedback It wasn't to get negative feedback. I didn't really expect feedback at all. I was ranting about a group of people who consider me a lesser gamer for not worshipping the game mode they do. I was vicious about it. And I stand by every word. If the shoe fits. Don't agree with them? Then I have no argument with you. Agree with them? Fine, then I would call you a douchenozzle too. Either way you [b]have [/b]proven yourself an imbecile, nothing I can do about that, sorry.
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Just get iron banner gear then
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Not sure if troll or stupid. Vog gear = 30 Vendor = 31 Ce = 32 Vendor gear replaced and made vog gear pointless since you can buy 31 and never need to even do the raid like we had to. Ce replaced vog gear? Sure, and it replaced the vendor gear that made vog gear useless... At the very least they should have made it a requirement to compete the raid on hard to buy level 31 vendor gear. Also every game I've played in mmo format had required running high level raids to obtain better gear done gear sold by vendors was always starter gear.
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I have never seen a progression game that forces you to raid. That's just stupid. Bungies idea to attach your ability to level too your armor was a dumb idea. No other game I have ever seen has done this. Most likely because it's a dumb idea.
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But, it doesn't force you to raid.
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If you want to hit level cap it does.
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Edited by Cheski87: 3/4/2015 1:22:42 AMThe only place raid gear matters, is inside the raid. If you don't raid, you don't need to be capped.
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That's bs I am level 32 and I see a difference in the damage I take in Nightfall and weekly.
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Edited by Cheski87: 3/4/2015 1:44:13 AMYou can take more damage b.c of the armor rating but it isn't affected by the light level after 30.
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Yeah that's my point. The IB gear has the same def. rating and light level. Level cap should not be restricted by raiding. It does make a difference in the rest of the game. The gear stats should be the only advantage to raiding.
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Edited by Cheski87: 3/4/2015 3:23:57 AMDude/dudette, they are the only advantage. You first mentioned level cap. Level doesn't matter after 30 outside of the raid. You don't need to raid to be 30. What you're asking for is already in place. You're confusing light level with your standard RPG leveling system. The level cap in Destiny is 20. Light level better represents a gear score instead of a flat level. Once you match the level of an enemy any levels/light levels above it have no affect on damage taken. The only thing that matters are the stats. This is the same raiding system many RPGs use, it's just a different route. In a different game, you couldn't beat a tier 3 raid with a raiding party sporting tier 1 gear. Sure the game didn't stop you from trying, but it would literally be an impossible task. I don't even understand what you're problem is. You've bounced between conflicting statements and, like I said, what you're asking for is already in place
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My original post is in response to raiders loudly pushing to have that changed in HoW. They say that even if weekly/nightfall are bumped to 32 I should be capped at 29 unless I raid. The system we have now is fine, IMO. It is their desire to push me down to feel more special that has me so angry. I think what KREEKR13 is saying is that it shouldn't take IrB or raiding to hit cap, as being cap has benefits outside the raid. I don't feel that gear would be appropriate to have at the vendor though. IrB isn't around that much and has only had a couple pieces of armor, and has never sold all pieces even once, so maybe if they stuck some stuff in the Roc playlist. But regardless, that's not even what I'm asking for.
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Haha idiot
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Damn the stupid in this post is real.
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The hardest parts of the game should definitely give better gear than what is easily available to you. It makes no sense to have raid gear be equal to or worse than vender gear.
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Sure, I never said vendor gear should be equal to raid gear. Or even that I should be able to hit cap without raiding.
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Oh cool you sound so hard over a video game. Bet ur just a lil bitch in the real world. Get a clue. It's a video game. It's not that serious. Grow the eff up.
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Edited by Caballer: 3/3/2015 9:27:48 PMYou don't have to raid in order to go over 29. Back then, this would have been true but the current vendor gear now takes you to 31. If HOW vendor gear took you to 32, I'll be fine, since it doesn't instantly invalidate my CE armor that I worked for. Vendor gear will always put you at an equal or one level higher then the nightfall. You don't need the raid gear to be able to do anything in PVE. Trying to make it look like any one who grinds raids is a jerk and evil is immature.
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We don't have to now. A lot of raiders are saying I [b]should[/b] have to. I'm hoping we end up with a similar setup to what we have now, except more even with raid gear instead of over (VoG gear should have been bumped to 31 when TDB dropped). I was [b]only[/b] speaking of people who want me permanently held to 29 unless I raid (even if weekly/nightfall are bumped to 32 in HoW) And I stand by every word.
