I agree with most of your points but. Just think of other fps most of the time in PVP there are one or two guns that everyone is using. The repetitive maps is annoying even if it simply just went through a straight rotation and wasn't random would be fine. The uneven spawn points is the real deal breaker for me though. I have had a bunch of people just quit if we spawn at a rather than try to overcome the deficit.

The bounties being the same is what really grinds my gears. It's been what, 3 or 4 IBs now? They've all been the same bounties. Always. Talk about laziness. No wonder people keep seeing Suros, what do you expect if that auto rifle HS bounty is there every day? Perhaps consider putting a 20 HS with pulse for a change? Lazy designers.

Perpetuating the myths...... There is a great deal of variety in weapons. I use IB auto rifle and have seen Shingen and Black Suros and others hardly ever see Suros Regime. Unbalanced map - perhaps that is intentional so teams have to fight over it instead of camping their original spawn. Few Maps - better to be good on a few maps than suck on them all. Lag - get your internet sorted I don't have this problem at all. People quitting - they get replaced by better players and you win and also more competitive for other team. Crappy rewards - how do you know they did not deserve it. It's not about k/d maybe they connect late and get compensated. Also seen exotics. Bounties - I have not seen a hand cannon bounty so your first point is now invalid. Respawn - likely that you have no respawn point available i.e. enemy sitting in all areas? Certainly not 30 secs. What is the game to do. Put you behind an enemy player...sounds like BLOPS Myths busted There are no problems with IB just with players being lemmings and not engaging brain before heading for B.

I would like to thank Iron Banner for leaving all the really shitty players in normal crucible. I was able to complete my Thorn bounty last night! lol

You can blame a great deal of the nonsense on the autorifle headshot bounty. It basically removes the high rate of fire autorifles from reasonable contention, in a game where they are already subpar. It encourages the use of Suros over anything else because, hell why not? 20 headshots takes a long time with other autorifles. If it was a 20 headshots with scout rifles you'd see far less incentive to run Suros, Vex, or TLW since those weapons don't fare well in the long game against scout rifles and holding the points comes down to shotgun wars regardless of the bounties. People quit far less often now and I'm pretty sure it's just the try hards who always quit to preserve their win ratio. The maps being unavailable is inexcusable. This IB is dlc only there is no good reason to not have the DLC maps included in the playlists, no reason to not include the full roster of maps. I can't believe they aren't including Bastion and First light to open up the goddamn game to anything other than fusion rifle and autorifle spam. Give us maps where sniper rifles are not only viable but preferable. Where scout rifles can actually be dominant in controlling the map or rockets actually have enough travel time to be avoided. Hell vehicles are even fine, this is a spiritual successor to Halo let's get some vehicle whoredom to be angry about. Or just remove the vehicle spawns in IB, that's cool too, just give us some gameplay variety. We spent 80 dollars to get 15 maps and only get to play 5 that matter for shit. The rewards have sucked in the crucible since day 1. I haven't seen an exotic drop in the IB for 3 straight events and I've rank 5'd every one of them, on 2 different characters most of the time. I can accept some shitty matchmaking decisions, that is a result of the game trying to even teams and being thrown into a lost cause from time to time is the fallout of having three quitters replaced promptly to make it a game on other occasions. The lag. Well I've been devoutly hoping whoever decided not to employ dedicated servers gets ass herpes, hemorrhoids, and nothing but concrete chairs to sit on since launch. The lag just makes the game unplayable. It's not worth it. The frustration, the anger, the bitterness. If you are going to make one of the IB bounties get 10 kills without dying, you should better goddamn well have netcode that can allow for it. I cannot describe to you the fury of an 8 or 9 kill streak ended by a goddamn melee kill trade when I sneak up behind someone and punch them 3 times in the head just to get blinkstruck 5 seconds later by what could have been none other than the zombified corpse of the guardian I killed. I'll kill people and start blink jumping out of the room just to prevent a -blam!-ing shotgun lag kill from turning it into a trade. Destiny has the worst performing pvp connection I've ever played. End of story. This shit lag is also probably the reason for the respawn screen bug which makes me want to throw my playstation off a satellite in orbit to watch in burn on reentry and hopefully kill a bungie employee while they're picking up other bungie employees at a birthday party for yet more bungie employees. Goddamn, I'm boiling just thinking about it.

Remember when first light and bastion were control maps? Good times.

I can't understand why people enjoy doing pvp in this game. I'm only playing Iron Banner for that Scout Rifle, all the while wanting to rip out my hair while doing so.

Pay for your internet that'll fix your re spawn issue...

I really hate Firebase Delphi when my team has C and we spawn the same spot every single time.