I'm genuinely getting sick and tired of people REFUSING to take me in EITHER raid because I'm "not lvl 32" or I "don't have Gjallahorn." I was doing the HARD VoG on lvl 29, and more than pulling my weight. No, my Truth and Icebreaker aren't maxed out. I didn't need them then, and I don't need them now. Wanna know the secret to pwning a first person shooter? [b]DODGE, DIP, DUCK, DIVE and DODGE[/b]. I know that I said dodge twice. It's important. The max level for VoG is only 30 anyway. What -blam!-ing idiot thinks you NEED a 32 with Gally to be effective?? For Crota, I can understand a bit more, but the story is the same. Knowledge of raid MECHANICS is essential, not max level. You need to know WHEN, HOW and sometimes WHERE to dodge, when to stay low when jumping over obstacles, when to juke, when to hide. I saw 32's just trying to RUN RIGHT BY Hallowed Knights during the Deathsinger portion of CROTA last night. Got one shotted in the back with a sword for their efforts. Reloading in the open, instead of behind cover. LEVEL will NEVER beat SKILL. Play any Halo game on Legendary if you don't believe me. Stop being stupid, try hard elitists. A lot of you aren't even GOOD; you've just got more time to no-life the game than a lot of us do. Ugh. /rant