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7/26/2008 1:20:52 AM
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Why not ban people's IP Addresses from Bungie.net?
The reason so many flamewars, spam wars, little kid wars, and everything else that ruins the Bnet experience, is because once people get banned they make a new account. They can keep hurting Bnet, get banned, make a new account, then start terrorising again.
Solution: Ban their IP Adresses completely from Bungie.net.
Problem: Oh my gawd, they teh use Proxies!
Solution: Ban Proxy use.
The punishments on Halo 3 are great, so why aren't they harsh on Bnet?
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I was playing Halo PC and this guy got about 12 IP bans from a sever that I was playing on, he could go back into it in about 3 minutes...
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] gr33n15 You can't just ban an IP addrress it's a lot more complex than just scrolling down to a button that says "ban IP" and besides the IP that person useed will may have changed the next time they turn their router on anyways. Also i believe that if you want to ban proxy use you actually have to be a system administrator or someone who works for the internet company to ban it. Bungie are only game designers, they can't go around monitoring and sensoring what everyone does on their PC.[/quote] Entertaining, huh.. Achronos is a System Administrator for bungie as he has access to the servers. You can't just ban "proxy-use." You can IP Ban multiple different proxies, but in the end, its really easy to create a proxy. For example, I put one on my server that my website is on and had a proxy in under 45 seconds. A proxy is just you using another server to mask your IP address as you are viewing a website through it. If you are good, it is also fairly easy to find who used said proxy. Now, at banning MAC addresses: It is possiable to find out someones MAC address by sending a file to them, it might even be able to be done in a cookie, but I am not sure. Bungie wouldn't do that either though, as the ban system they have going right now works fine.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] speedysurfer2205 If I recall correctly, MAC addresses cannot be picked up by a website.[/quote] Yes, and I think that the only way you can find your's out is by using your router.
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If I recall correctly, MAC addresses cannot be picked up by a website.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] IM PHAT NATE [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] hastypickle1 IP addresses are extremely easy to change.[/quote][/quote] IM PHAT NATE, you are a truly evil individual and keep that kind of opinion to yourself. IPs are very easy to change. Dynamic IPs change by themselves, static IPs do not.
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It's like the time when one person from my school got the whole school network I.P banned from wikipedia. IP banning seems to heavy handed to me, and in some cases it could ban people who have done absolutely nothing from the website. However if you ban by MAC addresses you could ban a computer used by more than one person, therefore denying access to someone who has done nothing wrong. [Edited on 07.28.2008 4:19 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] hastypickle1 IP addresses are extremely easy to change.[/quote] [Edited on 07.28.2008 2:44 AM PDT]
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-blam!- IP ban... MAC ban them.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recon Number 54 The IP that you (or I, or nearly anyone) has on the Internet is (in most cases) not permanently associated with an individual computer and is not associated with a specific person. So a ban against an IP is just against an address, not an individual. That IP address could end up assigned to someone else tomorrow, and though that person has done nothing wrong, because they got a banned IP, they can't use the site. IP bans would be like bans based on telephone numbers, if your number changed frequently , randomly and could be intentionally made to change by just unplugging your phone.[/quote] I have been banned plenty of times and then when my brother tries to get on he can't reply to topics. How do you do this? Also, when I was banned I did try to make another account and it wouldn't let me. [Edited on 07.28.2008 1:09 AM PDT]
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As many people have already said, it's basically a waste of time. IP's are very simple to change, not to mention most people don't have the same one at all times, like Recon said. However, I would like to bring up something made many, many, many years ago; or at least, that's what it seemed like. [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=8771511&postRepeater1-p=1]Linky.[/url] Basically, making someone's account their identity, instead of just a throw away piece of trash. People would value it more, and bans would have more of an effect; not to mention alternative accounts wouldn't exactly be easy to do.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Fatal Factor Tor.[/quote] Tor's like shoving burning needles through your eyelids. Slow, painful and totally unnecessary.
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I thought about that, but I agree with Recon Number 54 as should everybody else, always but there should be some way to ban a person, like implants in your fingers, and if you try to log in to B.Net with your finger, and they've been banned, no-go.
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IDK, I heard that Achronos could. Maybe it's just a rumor.
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You can't just ban an IP addrress it's a lot more complex than just scrolling down to a button that says "ban IP" and besides the IP that person useed will may have changed the next time they turn their router on anyways. Also i believe that if you want to ban proxy use you actually have to be a system administrator or someone who works for the internet company to ban it. Bungie are only game designers, they can't go around monitoring and sensoring what everyone does on their PC.
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You are fixing something that you have no knowledge of.
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Like that other guy said, why cant you just ban the MAC address.
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iI wouldn't care if someone got banned and made an alt account. As long as he didn't go out spamming forums or anything then who cares.
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i think bnet should stick to the regular banning. "What if someone gets banned and makes a new account?" you say? then if the bnet mods see the exact same IP address on a new member as the one that just got banned, then you know for sure its that guy who just got banned trying to make a new account. So just make a "new user/just banned" detector IP thingy. Theres probably a flaw in this plan, but that all i can think of for Bnet security.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recon Number 54 The IP that you (or I, or nearly anyone) has on the Internet is (in most cases) not permanently associated with an individual computer and is not associated with a specific person. So a ban against an IP is just against an address, not an individual. That IP address could end up assigned to someone else tomorrow, and though that person has done nothing wrong, because they got a banned IP, they can't use the site. IP bans would be like bans based on telephone numbers, if your number changed frequently , randomly and could be intentionally made to change by just unplugging your phone.[/quote]Actually, I once got ultra-banned (I believe that's what it was called) because I inserted an alt account into a spamming group (no good deed goes unpunished, they say). Our most humane bot permabanned that account, and every other account I had was banned from creating groups for a long time. I believe Achronos even told me that Soul banned the IP address to which those accounts were registered.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recon Number 54 The IP that you (or I, or nearly anyone) has on the Internet is (in most cases) not permanently associated with an individual computer and is not associated with a specific person. So a ban against an IP is just against an address, not an individual. That IP address could end up assigned to someone else tomorrow, and though that person has done nothing wrong, because they got a banned IP, they can't use the site. IP bans would be like bans based on telephone numbers, if your number changed frequently , randomly and could be intentionally made to change by just unplugging your phone.[/quote] Trying a little hard for the classic Recon analogy, aren't we ;)
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Well I know they ban by something. Since my brother owns an account he stupidly got him self banned and It banned me and everyone on the computer. I got it straigtened out but they ban by something like that.
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well thats good
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recon Number 54 The IP that you (or I, or nearly anyone) has on the Internet is (in most cases) not permanently associated with an individual computer and is not associated with a specific person. So a ban against an IP is just against an address, not an individual. That IP address could end up assigned to someone else tomorrow, and though that person has done nothing wrong, because they got a banned IP, they can't use the site. IP bans would be like bans based on telephone numbers, if your number changed frequently , randomly and could be intentionally made to change by just unplugging your phone.[/quote] ban MAC address then, [b]THAT[/b] wont be a'changin
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recon Number 54 The IP that you (or I, or nearly anyone) has on the Internet is (in most cases) not permanently associated with an individual computer and is not associated with a specific person. So a ban against an IP is just against an address, not an individual. That IP address could end up assigned to someone else tomorrow, and though that person has done nothing wrong, because they got a banned IP, they can't use the site. IP bans would be like bans based on telephone numbers, if your number changed frequently , randomly and could be intentionally made to change by just unplugging your phone.[/quote]Hmm never knew that. The more you know...
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The IP that you (or I, or nearly anyone) has on the Internet is (in most cases) not permanently associated with an individual computer and is not associated with a specific person. So a ban against an IP is just against an address, not an individual. That IP address could end up assigned to someone else tomorrow, and though that person has done nothing wrong, because they got a banned IP, they can't use the site. IP bans would be like bans based on telephone numbers, if your number changed frequently , randomly and could be intentionally made to change by just unplugging your phone. [Edited on 07.25.2008 5:27 PM PDT]
