[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] dirtmcgirt2004 Those games most definitely are not mediocre. Anyways to the OP, I'd have to throw out Grand Theft Auto III, Metal Gear Solid 2, and Final Fantasy X as all games that are arguably superior to HCE that came out around the same time as it. That Fall was a damn good time for PS2 owners. Other PS2 games of note from summer/fall 2001: Gran Turismo 3, Twisted Metal Black, Ico, Devil May Cry, Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3, Jak and Daxter, Silent Hill 2[/quote] GTA III definitely beats Halo but I wuv Halo nonetheless