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8/27/2014 7:09:37 PM
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Men and women are different it may be sexist to say that but it's also true. I don't think men or women would like it very much if we were treated exactly the same. I'm not defending the things that she mentioned in this article some were just plain despicable. I'm talking more about sex roles in society as a whole. I didn't like the implication that gamers are sexist because we are trained by video games to be sexist as if male gamers are only influenced by games. This is the same logic that says games train murderers. Guys spend more money and time on games. Guys like eye candy and I see no reason why myself or anyone else should feel guilty about this. I'm not saying a women should be judged only by her looks but all things being equal who isn't picking the hottie.
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While some people see it as exclusionist (to make a game catered more towards men), I see it as a missed opportunity, so to speak. Sure there will always be games intended for men, more so than women, but if the company is ready to develop such a game, they'd also probably be ready for any sort of consequence (be it money or criticism of the game). The reason why the majority of people aren't up in arms about this sort of thing, is first of all, they don't use click baiting tactics for people to read their articles, second, the majority of people can distinguish reality from fantasy. This isn't up to the developer, this is up to the ESRB, and the parents to teach/warn children of certain themes or societal activities that take place within the game versus the real world. And as others have mentioned this and other articles by "social justice warriors" merely report their "findings", instead of offering solutions. I mean off-handedly the only criticism I can think of as portraying women in video games was the latest Lara Croft game, the scene where she is caught a 2nd time by the bad guy, and he starts to feel her up before she kills him. While I'm not entirely sure how a person reacts after killing someone who attacked them, sometimes I wonder why themes of dramatic (or darker) changes for a female protagonist always seem to involve something of a sexual (or more provocative) nature - also found in other mediums (though Jodie Foster in "The Brave One" is a great counter example). Granted, this possibly is a common occurrence between a male aggressor and a female victim, but the same scenario with reverse roles isn't something you hear about (though the movie "Monster" comes to mind). Unlike the articles though, I'm not saying this is an absolute, it's only one observation, and aside from some JRPGs, I find that women in video games are like any other characters. In all that, changing the dynamic isn't that difficult, I mean we may not expect a male version of Lara Croft to go through the same scenario as I mentioned above, but as long as the writers and developers know how to engage an audience and make them believe what their character is going through is real, then the game's audience will respond in kind by buying or not buying the game.
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I can see where you're coming from, but I'm still going to disagree. I'm not going to argue against the fact that men and women have huge physical differences, but that does not mean women should be confined to the home, classroom, or nursing in hospitals (I'm not belittling these occupations. Just pointing out that they have traditionally been filled by women). As society and technology advance, traditional gender roles are becoming more and more irrelevant. Women do not have to be held back by societal expectations anymore. The only thing that is keeping us down are ignorant people who choose to remain locked in the prejudices of the past instead of wanting to move forward. Also, I don't think Brianna Wu was trying to imply that all male gamers are sexist or violent. I know for a fact that they aren't. But, unfortunately, many are. And they actively attack women because they think they have no place in the gaming world or are only there for their "viewing pleasure". Both men AND women enjoy looking at members of they're preferred sex, and that is not going to change. But that doesn't mean that they should mock, threaten, or even outright attack them like the people mentioned in the article did.
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I don't know where you disagreed with me. Maybe I just did a poor job illustrating my point. I worked as a nurse for years. I can relate to being in a role traditionally defined by the opposite sex but in no way can relate to being a woman. I never said it was alright to mock, threaten, or attack a woman. I actually believe any many who strikes any women for any reason should be jailed and stripped of his job regardless of his station. I just don't think I should have to feel guilty about liking an openly sexist game like Lollipop Chainsaw it's satire and shouldn't be taken seriously. It's like when you go to a strip club you don't give a shit about personality.
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Personally, I think a man is justified to strike a woman if she attacked him first and vice versa. But anyway, I know that sexual games are never going away, but it is important that we make sure men know that they are fantasy. They need to understand that women are not objects to be used for their pleasure or inferior beings. And at the very least, there needs to be some sexualized games that appeal to women. I [i]certainly[/i] wouldn't mind that.
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Maybe this makes me sexist but the way I was raised is to always respect and protect women. There is no scenario I can imagine were my only option would be to strike an unarmed woman. I thought there were sexualized games for women what else do you call WWE. (Joking of course) I think there would be such games if the market would support it and maybe it will but that would take a developer taking a risk on an untried game model. I'm not saying that's right I'm just saying I understand the hesitation.
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I don't think that is necessarily sexism...I don't know what to call that. And I agree with your other point.
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It used to be called chivalry or good manors but it's a brave new world. Many people see it as archaic and having no place in our modern world. Especially women needing the protection of men.
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The only thing women need protection from is men themselves.
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I agree and the most effective way to stop a bad man is a good one or a gun.
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What's interesting though is that a lot of women liked the 50 Shades of Grey trilogy, and while I'm sure only a few of them would ever want to participate in some of the activities in the books, a lot of the themes in the book revolve around control of a woman, sexual abuse, -blam!-, and other things not related to proper BDSM practices. So then I wonder where society went wrong when a good amount of women like those books. I'm not saying that the mediums intended for men then legitimizes the objectification of women (since these books that some women like) seem to, but rather that I wonder why this sort of thing takes place to begin with.
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You're right when you say that women wouldn't want to actually participate in that mess. I think it's the erotic, "forbidden-fruit" kind of themes that get a lot of women interested (I wouldn't know though, I never read it). That, and, to my knowledge, the characters in the book DID have an emotional relationship. Perhaps even loved each other. If the book had been 100% physical, then I can guarantee not as many women would have liked it. On the other hand, everyone, even women, likes to enjoy some PWP every once in a while.
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It's understandable, and it appears men and women like their porn in different mediums and should not be criticised over one form versus the other. The porn videos that role play -blam!- scenes are just as equatable to books that have -blam!- scenes that lead to some sort of stokholm syndrome (somehow legitimized) love story...
