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12/3/2012 4:31:20 AM
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What was halo 4's theme?
I mean as a story.
On the surface it seemd as another "rescue the world" tale but I think it had much more.
I only got the theme of being human and of the masterchief getting his humanity back a theme that has continued from reach.
What do you think the themes of this game were?
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J + C 4 EVER :,( [Edited on 12.02.2012 8:37 PM PST]
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Beating a dead horse.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BobBQ Beating a dead horse.[/quote] Becuase of the "Cortana is acting wierd" recyled plot? [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CoRaMo J + C 4 EVER :,([/quote] Totally agreed. [Edited on 12.02.2012 9:02 PM PST]
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Halo 4's theme: "How much Call of Duty can we shoehorn into this game?" EDIT: Sorry I see you meant single player: "How much Halo lore can we put in here to distract longtime fans from the absurd amounts of Call of Duty in the multiplayer?" [Edited on 12.03.2012 3:55 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BobBQ Beating a dead horse.[/quote] Wow, just like your arguments for why Halo 4 is bad I'm sure.
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Mankind reclaiming our position as rightful stewards of the Mantle.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Aang the Avatar Wow, just like your arguments for why Halo 4 is bad I'm sure.[/quote] Oh, I don't think Halo 4 is a [i]bad[/i] game. I just think it's a tedious, uninspired game cranked out by a corporation intent on squeezing another billion dollars from a decade-long cash cow's target demographic.
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So many, but the main theme of Halo 4 is an evolution of the main theme of "Halo" itself. What "humanity" truly is, what humanity's place is, and what the purpose of life is.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BobBQ [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Aang the Avatar Wow, just like your arguments for why Halo 4 is bad I'm sure.[/quote] Oh, I don't think Halo 4 is a [i]bad[/i] game. I just think it's a tedious, uninspired game cranked out by a corporation intent on squeezing another billion dollars from a decade-long cash cow's target demographic.[/quote] And I don't. Thanks for derailing the thread. OT: It's also vaguely about the Digital vs. Organic conflict. But that's barely touched upon.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BobBQ [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Aang the Avatar Wow, just like your arguments for why Halo 4 is bad I'm sure.[/quote] Oh, I don't think Halo 4 is a [i]bad[/i] game. I just think it's a tedious, uninspired game cranked out by a corporation intent on squeezing another billion dollars from a decade-long cash cow's target demographic.[/quote] I know you guys don't get paid for Ninja'ing, but I find it ironic that you work (for lack of a better term) for the very company that created said series. Just out of curiosity, would you be this outspoken about it if Bungie HAD made it? Not trying to sound like a jackass, I'm genuinely curious. Not trying to provoke a Ninja here.
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What it means to be human. [Edited on 12.03.2012 6:02 PM PST]
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[quote]Posted by: BobBQ Posted by: Aang the Avatar Wow, just like your arguments for why Halo 4 is bad I'm sure. Oh, I don't think Halo 4 is a bad game. I just think it's a tedious, uninspired game cranked out by a corporation intent on squeezing another billion dollars from a decade-long cash cow's target demographic. And I don't. Thanks for derailing the thread. OT: It's also vaguely about the Digital vs. Organic conflict. But that's barely touched upon.[/quote] Hmm at times it did seemed about Digital and Organic though that kinda reminds me of Mass Effect 3...
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The Theme- Frank O'connor- "Hey Bill! I had a great idea!" Bill gates-"Oh yeah?" Frank- "Definetely! We totally half-ass the entire goddamn thing, make even the campaign, like, not even 6 hours on normal, save money, and make double the profits!!!" *Bill Gates laughs evily"
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SCORCHHEAD The Theme- Frank O'connor- "Hey Bill! I had a great idea!" Bill gates-"Oh yeah?" Frank- "Definetely! We totally half-ass the entire goddamn thing, [b][u]make even the campaign, like, not even 6 hours on normal[/b][/u], save money, and make double the profits!!!" *Bill Gates laughs evily"[/quote]Tell me that's an exaggeration, please; campaign is all I really care about and if it really is that short, then we can consider my already-low interest in Halo 4 officially dead and buried.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SCORCHHEAD The Theme- Frank O'connor- "Hey Bill! I had a great idea!" Bill gates-"Oh yeah?" Frank- "Definetely! We totally half-ass the entire goddamn thing, make even the campaign, like, not even 6 hours on normal, save money, and make double the profits!!!" *Bill Gates laughs evily"[/quote] That's how I felt at the end of the campaign. It was like they tried to use halo 4 as a means to advertise their books. Personally I felt that they tried to squeeze a bunch of lore and useless info into the story. I think they saw this as an opportunity to sell books and such rather than expand on the game as a whole. I was pissed about the campaign. I thought frank said it would be longer than the traditional campaign. Did he not?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CruddiestBlock1 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SCORCHHEAD The Theme- Frank O'connor- "Hey Bill! I had a great idea!" Bill gates-"Oh yeah?" Frank- "Definetely! We totally half-ass the entire goddamn thing, make even the campaign, like, not even 6 hours on normal, save money, and make double the profits!!!" *Bill Gates laughs evily"[/quote] That's how I felt at the end of the campaign. It was like they tried to use halo 4 as a means to advertise their books. Personally I felt that they tried to squeeze a bunch of lore and useless info into the story. I think they saw this as an opportunity to sell books and such rather than expand on the game as a whole. I was pissed about the campaign. I thought frank said it would be longer than the traditional campaign. Did he not?[/quote]I think the Campaign succeeded in giving us more of a story than prior games ever had. A story that was told a lot better, too. 'Chief and Cortana's journey is probably the best thing to happen to the series, Campaign-wise. So well done. Frank said it'd be as long as other games have been. I'd say that's correct.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GhostLink2401 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BobBQ [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Aang the Avatar Wow, just like your arguments for why Halo 4 is bad I'm sure.[/quote] Oh, I don't think Halo 4 is a [i]bad[/i] game. I just think it's a tedious, uninspired game cranked out by a corporation intent on squeezing another billion dollars from a decade-long cash cow's target demographic.[/quote] I know you guys don't get paid for Ninja'ing, but I find it ironic that you work (for lack of a better term) for the very company that created said series. Just out of curiosity, would you be this outspoken about it if Bungie HAD made it? Not trying to sound like a jackass, I'm genuinely curious. Not trying to provoke a Ninja here.[/quote] Or what if he thinks that Halo 4 truly is a bad game? Just because you slap "Halo" on the title doesn't make it an instant blessing. In fact he's very rationale for pointing out his opinion on the matter. It shows he takes a game for what it is and not for what it was, or what it is supposed to be.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Drunky1993 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GhostLink2401 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BobBQ [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Aang the Avatar Wow, just like your arguments for why Halo 4 is bad I'm sure.[/quote] Oh, I don't think Halo 4 is a [i]bad[/i] game. I just think it's a tedious, uninspired game cranked out by a corporation intent on squeezing another billion dollars from a decade-long cash cow's target demographic.[/quote] I know you guys don't get paid for Ninja'ing, but I find it ironic that you work (for lack of a better term) for the very company that created said series. Just out of curiosity, would you be this outspoken about it if Bungie HAD made it? Not trying to sound like a jackass, I'm genuinely curious. Not trying to provoke a Ninja here.[/quote] Or what if he thinks that Halo 4 truly is a bad game? Just because you slap "Halo" on the title doesn't make it an instant blessing. In fact he's very rationale for pointing out his opinion on the matter. It shows he takes a game for what it is and not for what it was, or what it is supposed to be. [/quote] It has it's flaws, yeah. It's far from perfect, but I don't recall seeing Ninjas openly not like Halo before Bungie released control. Maybe I just never noticed it.
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Since this is turning into an "I hate Halo 4" thread. I'll answer this one seriously. I would say that Halo 4 is about triumphing even in defeat. Master Chief's whole journey in Halo 4 has been nothing but countless defeats. He loses Cortana, his contributions are not acknowledged by Infinity, he failed to save the people in the Ivanoff Research Station. Lastly, all the civilians of New Phoenix were composed and he had to destroy the Composer. In turn, killing all the civilians that became digital AIs. It's about what you're willing to do for a cause. How far are you willing to go for a cause. [Edited on 12.04.2012 2:27 AM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CruddiestBlock1 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SCORCHHEAD The Theme- Frank O'connor- "Hey Bill! I had a great idea!" Bill gates-"Oh yeah?" Frank- "Definetely! We totally half-ass the entire goddamn thing, make even the campaign, like, not even 6 hours on normal, save money, and make double the profits!!!" *Bill Gates laughs evily"[/quote] That's how I felt at the end of the campaign. It was like they tried to use halo 4 as a means to advertise their books. Personally I felt that they tried to squeeze a bunch of lore and useless info into the story. I think they saw this as an opportunity to sell books and such rather than expand on the game as a whole. I was pissed about the campaign. I thought frank said it would be longer than the traditional campaign. Did he not?[/quote] Cant you just picture Bill gates stroking a cat, in a big chair and laughing evily about all the money we gave them?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Haloroach So many, but the main theme of Halo 4 is an evolution of the main theme of "Halo" itself. What "humanity" truly is, what humanity's place is, and what the purpose of life is.[/quote] This, basically. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CruddiestBlock1 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SCORCHHEAD The Theme- Frank O'connor- "Hey Bill! I had a great idea!" Bill gates-"Oh yeah?" Frank- "Definetely! We totally half-ass the entire goddamn thing, make even the campaign, like, not even 6 hours on normal, save money, and make double the profits!!!" *Bill Gates laughs evily"[/quote] That's how I felt at the end of the campaign. It was like they tried to use halo 4 as a means to advertise their books. Personally I felt that they tried to squeeze a bunch of lore and useless info into the story. I think they saw this as an opportunity to sell books and such rather than expand on the game as a whole. I was pissed about the campaign. I thought frank said it would be longer than the traditional campaign. Did he not?[/quote] He said it'd be AS long, which it was. [Edited on 12.04.2012 1:41 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Haloroach [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BobBQ [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Aang the Avatar Wow, just like your arguments for why Halo 4 is bad I'm sure.[/quote] Oh, I don't think Halo 4 is a [i]bad[/i] game. I just think it's a tedious, uninspired game cranked out by a corporation intent on squeezing another billion dollars from a decade-long cash cow's target demographic.[/quote] And I don't. Thanks for derailing the thread.[/quote] You should report him. OT: Human nature. [Edited on 12.04.2012 1:42 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] fez479 Halo 4's theme: "How much Call of Duty can we shoehorn into this game?" EDIT: Sorry I see you meant single player: "How much Halo lore can we put in here to distract longtime fans from the absurd amounts of Call of Duty in the multiplayer?"[/quote]Why are you even posting in the universe then, -blam!- the multiplayer, it could be a carbon copy of cod and i would like it as long as the story was good, and you people call yourselves fans, theres a reason why the halo fanbase is considered a joke in place's like spacebattles or bigger gaming sites, and the reason is the retarded multiplayer community. [Edited on 12.04.2012 1:54 PM PST]
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I personally think the the theme was Man (humanity) vs Machine. As Cortana becomes increasingly rampant she becomes increasingly human, and in contrast the Chief has to become more machine like and hide his emotions (more than he usually does) to make sure they both don't fall apart. At the end you're not meant to be sure whether Cortana's "death" has brought Chief back to his humanity or pushed him completely over the edge into machine territory. That is what I got from it anyway...
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] fsabran [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] fez479 Halo 4's theme: "How much Call of Duty can we shoehorn into this game?" EDIT: Sorry I see you meant single player: "How much Halo lore can we put in here to distract longtime fans from the absurd amounts of Call of Duty in the multiplayer?"[/quote]Why are you even posting in the universe then, -blam!- the multiplayer, it could be a carbon copy of cod and i would like it as long as the story was good, and you people call yourselves fans, theres a reason why the halo fanbase is considered a joke in place's like spacebattles or bigger gaming sites, and the reason is the retarded multiplayer community.[/quote] #1 I'm posting here because I like Destiny and the new info. #2 Bungie has a great fanbase. Unfortunately Halo is constantly hounded by posers who just play the next fad. #3 Halo is primarily a multiplayer game. The single player is fun and the story can be quite interesting (ODST was great), but when it comes down to it I couldn't call a Halo game even close to good if 70% was crap. Multiplayer is also mostly about the gameplay, which greatly affects the Campaign. You also just lost all credibility by claiming that the multiplayer fanbase ruins Halo because there are hordes of very respected Halo MLG players. #4 Halo 4's campaign couldn't even touch Reach's. SPOILERS c'mon... Cortana merging with everything blue and holding down Didact, who was beating the crap out of Chief? Can someone say CLICHE?!? /SPOILERS
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] fez479 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] fsabran [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] fez479 Halo 4's theme: "How much Call of Duty can we shoehorn into this game?" EDIT: Sorry I see you meant single player: "How much Halo lore can we put in here to distract longtime fans from the absurd amounts of Call of Duty in the multiplayer?"[/quote]Why are you even posting in the universe then, -blam!- the multiplayer, it could be a carbon copy of cod and i would like it as long as the story was good, and you people call yourselves fans, theres a reason why the halo fanbase is considered a joke in place's like spacebattles or bigger gaming sites, and the reason is the retarded multiplayer community.[/quote] #4 Halo 4's campaign couldn't even touch Reach's. SPOILERS c'mon... Cortana merging with everything blue and holding down Didact, who was beating the crap out of Chief? Can someone say CLICHE?!? /SPOILERS[/quote] Cortana pulled that off because she was using hard light technology. Do you even know what the word cliche means? You know what else is cliche? Bruce Willis staying behind to blow up the big bad space invader, but now with aliens and a Spartan. I suppose having no character development isn't cliche, so much as it is -blam!- writing, though. What Halo 4 did have--character development, a story you had to actually pay attention too, respect for the lore, legitimately emotional sequences, and good writing--puts it above Reach the same way the moon is above my house.
