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9/30/2012 7:57:00 PM
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Should you be in trouble for unintended events?
[quote]9/30/2012 3:45 AM: [REDACTED][1848159] sent a warning to this user.
Warning Text: You have been sent a warning from [REDACTED] This warning's text is below:
A Bungie.net Forum Moderator has warned you for violating the code of conduct and/or rules of the forum in the thread below. Further violations will likely result in a ban.
http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=75030807
Political discussion is prohibited, Ken. Please do not start threads that are near-certain turn into political discussion[/quote]
The thread in question was about how Microsoft was getting people to watch a stream of a debate by giving away armor.
The thread itself was not intended to be political, it was about the promotion. The thread also never went into a political debate nor went off-topic.
Can you punish people for a thread potentially doing something while never doing it? Also if the thread did turn into a political debate but never was intended to be, why should the OP be punished for it?
Just because something his ties to politics does not mean it is a thread about politics.
(Now I understand the reasoning of the mod, but I still feel that punishing the OP for something that never happened is silly)
[Edited on 09.30.2012 11:58 AM PDT]
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Yes. You have no rights.
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I'd Say It Was Justified. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] spartain ken 15 The thread itself was not intended to be political, it was about the promotion.[/quote] The Promotion Was Political.
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I believe this involves that grey area that's so idolized here. I personally wouldn't lock it or give a warning (if I were a mod) but I can see why it was.
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Can you? Yes. Is it just? No, or at least it wouldn't be in a real society. Because it's a video game forum, whatever Bungie wants, goes. You have no rights; play nice.
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The majority of that thread wasn't even political discussion, only a couple users going at it. I don't see the problem, so I would like to hear this answered as well.
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I don't think so. I think only the people that actually participate in the bannable event should be punished.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Makushin I'd Say It Was Justified. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] spartain ken 15 The thread itself was not intended to be political, it was about the promotion.[/quote] The Promotion Was Political.[/quote] Yes, BUT the thread was NOT about politics and any post about the election is off-topic, the thread was about a promotion by Microsoft. Is it related? Yes. BUT, Politics are not the main focus. Often things like politics and government can be intertwined in news but that shouldn't mean a thread should be locked if they are not the direct focus of the thread. I never intended for a political thread, just about a promotion by Microsoft. I would also like to point out the thread never went into any political flamewar or argument. It was locked and I got moderation actions because of fear of something that may never happen and something that would of not been my intention nor my fault. Why should I be punished for other people's actions if they de-rail a non-political thread and make it political?
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If a mod thinks a Thread will get out of hand or turn into a flame war it doesn't hurt to just lock it. I'm sure the mod in question could of just sent you a message, they just chose to issue a warning. Which really isn't that big a deal, it doesn't keep you from posting.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] spartain ken 15 It was locked and I got moderation actions because of fear of something that may never happen and something that would of not been my intention nor my fault. Why should I be punished for other people's actions if they de-rail a non-political thread and make it political? [/quote]This is where I'm at a loss. I would understand the lock. Maybe the mod was getting off and didn't want a flame-war getting sparked when there were no mods present. But I don't understand the warning. Hey, at least it's not a ban.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] spartain ken 15 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Makushin I'd Say It Was Justified. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] spartain ken 15 The thread itself was not intended to be political, it was about the promotion.[/quote] The Promotion Was Political.[/quote] Yes, BUT the thread was NOT about politics and any post about the election is off-topic, the thread was about a promotion by Microsoft. Is it related? Yes. BUT, Politics are not the main focus. Often things like politics and government can be intertwined in news but that shouldn't mean a thread should be locked if they are not the direct focus of the thread. I never intended for a political thread, just about a promotion by Microsoft. I would also like to point out the thread never went into any political flamewar or argument. It was locked and I got moderation actions because of fear of something that may never happen and something that would of not been my intention nor my fault. Why should I be punished for other people's actions if they de-rail a non-political thread and make it political? [/quote] It doesn't matter what YOU thought it to be, the subject matter can still be interpreted as political. That's why the mods are trusted to do what they do, they can think of several different outcomes for something that may have been well-intended and if there's a possibility it could come out bad, it's handled. And frankly I think your harsh wording for your 'punishment' isn't needed. Stop making mountains out of molehills, it's a warning, you're not being permabanned or exiled from Bnet. [Edited on 09.30.2012 12:07 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] I ZEROC00L I If a mod thinks a Thread will get out of hand or turn into a flame war it doesn't hurt to just lock it. I'm sure the mod in question could of just sent you a message, they just chose to issue a warning. Which really isn't that big a deal, it doesn't keep you from posting.[/quote] No but it is on my record now. The thing is though my thread wasn't intended to be political and it never became political. Besides, how would it be my fault if people came into my thread and made it political? It went like 4 pages without breaking into any kind of political debate or flame war. I thought it was pretty civil. But is it really my fault for the actions of others?
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Yes, it keeps it from turning into a massive political flame war.
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Meh. I think moderators have been getting increasingly nitpicky lately since there's not much to do.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Bullett Killz Yes, it keeps it from turning into a massive political flame war.[/quote] You are making assumptions. With that attitude, many threads on the forums can be locked and OPs banned for what "might" happen. Let me ask you though, if a thread was made that was not about politics and turned into one, why should the OP be punished? I would also like to point out nothing happened after 4+ pages of people replying. Why lock a thread if nothing happens? There was no indication of it going sour.
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Another thread of Ken being trivial and being frustrated over nothing.
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It's a warning, not that big of a deal.
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Nope. Please, come up with something that makes sense next time. It's just a warning. [Edited on 09.30.2012 12:13 PM PDT]
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"You have no rights". That's the only rule that matters here.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AdamP118 Another thread of Ken being trivial and being frustrated over nothing. [/quote] I would say most of the community forum is trivial. But on topic, this could happen to all of you who make threads. You could get banned for something that may never happen. Also, it sounds like you would get in trouble if other people caused the flame war.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] spartain ken 15 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AdamP118 Another thread of Ken being trivial and being frustrated over nothing. [/quote] I would say most of the community forum is trivial. But on topic, this could happen to all of you who make threads. You could get banned for something that may never happen. Also, it sounds like you would get in trouble if other people caused the flame war. [/quote]But you didn't get banned, so cut the slippery slope crap.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] doctor woot [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] spartain ken 15 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AdamP118 Another thread of Ken being trivial and being frustrated over nothing. [/quote] I would say most of the community forum is trivial. But on topic, this could happen to all of you who make threads. You could get banned for something that may never happen. Also, it sounds like you would get in trouble if other people caused the flame war. [/quote]But you didn't get banned, so cut the slippery slope crap.[/quote] I probably would of been banned if I hadn't been almost 8 months clean in my moderation history. I feel a warning was unjust seeing as nothing in the warning actually happened. These was no political debate, no flame war, everyone was acting in line. I mean, I would think a lock is fine, especially since the topic was not made to be political. I feel it is unnecessary and frankly the implications of being punished for assumptions makes me nervous as a thread maker. Does this mean I am accountable for flame war if I didn't start them? Is it right to punish people for things that may never happen? [Edited on 09.30.2012 12:17 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] spartain ken 15 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AdamP118 Another thread of Ken being trivial and being frustrated over nothing. [/quote] I would say most of the community forum is trivial. But on topic, this could happen to all of you who make threads. You could get banned for something that may never happen. Also, it sounds like you would get in trouble if other people caused the flame war. [/quote] Except it doesn't happen, because most people here have the foresight to know whether or not the threads they make, [i]should[/i] be made. Again, you're making a huge 'sky is falling' argument for something that rarely happens in the day-to-day traffic here. If you have a problem with the warning [i]that much[/i], go discuss it with the moderator that issued it. [Edited on 09.30.2012 12:19 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] spartain ken 15 I feel it is unnecessary and frankly the implications of being punished for assumptions makes me nervous as a thread maker. Does this mean I am accountable for flame war if I didn't start them? Is it right to punish people for things that may never happen? [/quote]You weren't punished, you were warned. Cut the slippery slope crap.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] doctor woot [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] spartain ken 15 I feel it is unnecessary and frankly the implications of being punished for assumptions makes me nervous as a thread maker. Does this mean I am accountable for flame war if I didn't start them? Is it right to punish people for things that may never happen? [/quote]You weren't punished, you were warned. Cut the slippery slope crap.[/quote] Warnings affect gaining forum titles and are permanently logged as moderation action against me. So yes, I am being punished. But my point is should people be punished for something that "may" happen in a thread, even if they are not the ones to cause it? This thread was not meant to spark any kind of political debate, I didn't try to bait anyone.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] spartain ken 15 Let me ask you though, if a thread was made that was not about politics and turned into one, why should the OP be punished? [/quote]You weren't punished, you got a warning. Like "Hey, stop this before you get punished." And, I have an answer to all your questions. It's up to the admins and moderators discretion to lock, warn, and ban whatever they believe the correct repercussions are. You agreed with those rules when you accepted the Code of Conduct. Live with it, move on, stop making a bigger deal of something that it shouldn't be. [Edited on 09.30.2012 12:27 PM PDT]
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You didn't get in trouble though. I've been unofficially warned about something a while back, it was completely unintentional, but having had it explained to me, I can clearly see why the said action had to be taken. It's exactly the same here. You did something, unintentionally, so rather than banning you, you've been given the benefit of the doubt.
