thats just dumb.. i would be so p*%$^d if after playing years of halo it ended with the Chief sitting down and saying ''i am good''... what the "?>: ending would that be? We as true halo fans want the ending to be as epic as the story in its entirety has been so far. we dont want it to just 'end'... personally i thought halo 3's ending was perfect.. ''wake me.... when you need me....''sad in a way and thats what makes it so good. like any movie you watch its only good if it toys with your emotions... it cant just be happy the whole way through and it cant just be sad the whole way through... that would be boring.. in order to be drawn into anything deeply, your emotions must be involved.. the strongest emotion is by far sadness.. or losing something of which you are emotionally attached to... i.e. Master Chief.. noble 6's ending was kind of sad too.. when you play that final level in reaches wastes, watching dropships surround you, knowing its the end yet hoping maybe theres a chance Noble 6 might survive... not bad... if u think about it its not really even clear whether he dies... all it shows is him being surrounded by elites... i mean its pretty clear that he probably died, but it would be kinda sick if we saw him again... im not saying this is how it should end for the Chief... no no.. his will be much more epic... kinda like how bruce willis dies in the end of armaggeddon and saves ben afflec... then he says goodbye to his daughter one last time... i dont think any ending to any game or movie will ever be as good as that... i dont know how the halo universe could do something like this but i think i would bawl my eyes out like a sissy girl and cherish the game til the day i die... it HAS to end epic... it cant just end... in some ways i DO agree... i want the ending to be different than your typical 'hero sacrifices himself to save the day' but I really dont know what would be better... he cant just retire.... borring... then what? John grows a garden? And he cant just say ''whats next yo?'' cuz that wouldnt reaaly be an ending... and if it was i would use that f*:"{<> disc for firewood... like i said, halo 3's was perfect.. it wasnt what you expected and it left you thinking... attached.. although it is hard to accept the thought of the Master Chief dying, i have to agree and say that, so far, it would be the most epic ending. [Edited on 08.24.2012 7:59 PM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OrderedComa The answer is way too god-damn many...[/quote]I was flipping out when Halsey delivered the eulogy to Noble Six. It felt detached.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] superiorarsenal Enough with this "Die like a hero" stuff. Death at the end of a game is just about the most cliche thing ever. Mass Effect, we have Shepard, wounded and barely alive, complete "the ultimate objective" and sacrifice himself (Or say -blam!- off and die from some other reason). In Far Cry 2, you either deliver the diamonds and shoot yourself, or plug in a battery and explode yourself, completing the final goal. Halo:Reach, EVERYONE DIES. I could just go on and on and on. Give me a conclusion like the first Far Cry. Jack Carver fights through paramilitary forces, freaky monsters, and crazy mutants, and at the end of it all, he just gets to sit down and go "Damn I'm tired, but I got -blam!- done" (Okay, he didn't actually say that, but that's the vibe). Let Chief retire. He could just get some nice home on some world and just relax, for once. Or hell, have him do something completely anti-climatic, like just finish beating the huge galactic threat, and just be like "Okay, that's done. Next mission?" and the admiral or whatever has a shocked face and just goes "Well we could use your help with some Innies..." or "Well, I could put you on a patrol in the Outer Colonies..." Look at Parangosky. She's like 90-something and she still serves/runs the UNSC. Why couldn't Chief "retire" into passively serving the UNSC until death. Actually, just let the man retire. After 6 games and 2 decades of being the poster-child for an entire system, and a huge gaming icon, he deserves something more than death. He deserves just plane old goddamned retirement.[/quote] Can I just say that I love you and your post? I love seeing opinions like this ^_^ I see too many people saying that Chief should die or that death is only believable outcome. I agree with your post so much, I'm quite sick of the character of a game or book or whatever getting killed off at the end of the series......it is [i][b][u]ESPECIALLY[/u][/b][/i] cliched for the Halo series, I mean really, how many Halo books or other stories can you name where a main character, or sometimes the main character, is killed off, especially in the "heroic death" type way? The answer is way too god-damn many... [Edited on 08.24.2012 5:16 PM PDT]

We need a mixture of Halo CE and Halo 3, where he leaves the destruction and war behind, and is ready to serve humanity in its time of need, but in a conclusive way, that doesn't hit at sequels.

Enough with this "Die like a hero" stuff. Death at the end of a game is just about the most cliche thing ever. Mass Effect, we have Shepard, wounded and barely alive, complete "the ultimate objective" and sacrifice himself (Or say -blam!- off and die from some other reason). In Far Cry 2, you either deliver the diamonds and shoot yourself, or plug in a battery and explode yourself, completing the final goal. Halo:Reach, EVERYONE DIES. I could just go on and on and on. Give me a conclusion like the first Far Cry. Jack Carver fights through paramilitary forces, freaky monsters, and crazy mutants, and at the end of it all, he just gets to sit down and go "Damn I'm tired, but I got -blam!- done" (Okay, he didn't actually say that, but that's the vibe). Let Chief retire. He could just get some nice home on some world and just relax, for once. Or hell, have him do something completely anti-climatic, like just finish beating the huge galactic threat, and just be like "Okay, that's done. Next mission?" and the admiral or whatever has a shocked face and just goes "Well we could use your help with some Innies..." or "Well, I could put you on a patrol in the Outer Colonies..." Look at Parangosky. She's like 90-something and she still serves/runs the UNSC. Why couldn't Chief "retire" into passively serving the UNSC until death. Actually, just let the man retire. After 6 games and 2 decades of being the poster-child for an entire system, and a huge gaming icon, he deserves something more than death. He deserves just plane old goddamned retirement.

Maybe the Chief will not die and go back to fighting insurrectionists. The games could stop with the Chief at the end of Halo 6 but the novels could continue? Personally I think we need more novels with the Chief in. A novel of Halo 2 and 3, like how The Flood was based on Halo: Combat Evolved and how it added more "behind the scenes" characters. [Edited on 08.24.2012 2:19 PM PDT]

I think chief should die heroicly like kurt 051. Honestly, after i read ghosts of onyx, kurt became my hero. Chief should die, destroying the whole enemies race or planet with him...

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] armybrat0808 Given the choice i would choose him dissappearing in cryo or sacrificing himself to save Earth (or something of the like) but it would have to be crazy, similar to Forge in Halo Wars[/quote] My ideal for getting rid of Chief would be something ambiguous where the individual fan can decide or not whether they want him to be dead or not, so basically the same kind of ending as Halo 3, just without the Legendary Ending to show that he's actually alive and kicking somewhere out there, or like Jorge in Reach.

Given the choice i would choose him dissappearing in cryo or sacrificing himself to save Earth (or something of the like) but it would have to be crazy, similar to Forge in Halo Wars [Edited on 08.24.2012 7:09 AM PDT]

Halo 7: PTSD

Steps on a lady-bug; Ladybug's parents kill him.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OrderedComa [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] flamedude Killing the Chief in a dramatic act of sacrifice might sound like a great idea but it will almost certainly come off as corny, cliched and predictable. It is expected that he die fighting and saving humanity single-handedly, I would much prefer and admire 343i if they didn't go down the road well-travelled and actually allow the Chief to survive the pinnacle of the new trilogy. Think of it this way. The Chief was abducted as a child, indoctrinated into the ways of war, mutilated, sent into war, ordered to kill, ordered to endure pain and suffer and forsake his own freedom and happiness AND THEN he dies...... Yeah right. What sort of message is that for a hero? Be abducted, be trained into a killer, fight, fight some more, fight even more, die. It's not only predictable for him to die but it also seems ultimately a vicious, cold and unjust end to such an important and virtuous character. Then again from a purely business perspective it's unlikely that Microsoft would kill their main video game character that has such a fanbase and loyal following.[/quote] Oh my god yes, this, just this. You summed all of my opinions near exactly, Flamedude, and did a far damn better job of it than I ever could :D So yeah, pretty much exactly what he said ^_^[/quote] Honestly, a death scene I would love is they JUST get back from final battle, Chief is in a room (with cortana or not), and whoever was in there with him leaves, saying they'll come back later. He dies, alone, but finally at complete peace with himself and his life. When the person comes back, Chief is dead but he looks peaceful. I mean, this solves A: The "He can't retire!" because he doesn't. He dies at peace, alone. B: "He should die alone" see above. C: The "Him dying in final battle is cliche/expected." [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] sendger What if the chief was making a jump from orbit to a planet surface in some epic massive all out battle but in the process breaks his body on impact, going back to the Johnson quote "one of these days your gonna land on something as stubborn as you are..." Whilst broken but not dead the player has to command chief through a short but drawn out battle at which segments of armor are falling apart (e.g you can see his bare hands holding an AR) Until, Broken, bleeding, dying, showing the true power of the spartan, he reaches his objective to end the fight and all that is seen of the closing shot is the reflection of a massive explosion in his eye, engulfing him..........Fin Enter Claire de lune and shots of the cast and crew of halo 6 watching the fountains in las vegas.[/quote] Honestly.... while I suppose it fits... your version of Chief dying is just... horrifically cliche, if I think of the terms right. I just feel there is WAY too much "Hero dies, but saves day in the process!" lately. And hell, the whole "Armor is broken and shattered, bleeding, heavily wounded, Chief drags himself to the objective and completes it before dying." reminds me of ME3 ending. While I agree it would be hard for chief to retire, I don't see it as utterly impossible. However, I agree he needs to finally pass it on to a new main character. There are ways of doing this besides death. Horrific injury that forces him into cryo because they can't treat it, a permanently disabling injury that robs him of the ability to properly serve as a Spartan, etc... I've said it in another conversation about this very topic, He can die, retire, get wounded, whatever. But the ending has to be done WELL. Would you all be happy if he gets an ME3 ending basically? Gets mortally wounded, finishes objective and dies, saving the universe from whatever it was that was threatening?(okay, maybe bad example but it's one fresh on my mind, everybody in the strike force got killed, but Shepard managed to crawl and finish the objective despite super-heavy wounds) Actually, flamedude kinda has it right. Killing the chief at the end is expected. Him surviving would be a more shocking ending, or being at peace. Dying in the final battle is pretty cliche, especially when everybody is going about how "He HAS TO, HE CAN'T RETIRE AT ALL." I mean, another Spartan retired. We know the ones who got disfigured by augments don't die fighting. Hell, the one who sent Chief a letter about her treatments (halo 2 era)? She seemed pretty at peace. [Edited on 08.22.2012 3:50 PM PDT]

I like the idea of a symbolic death rather than an actual death. Like i was content knowing or thinking i knew I'd never see the MC again at the end of Halo 3 even though I didn't really see him die. Now if he had a symbolic end in Halo 6 I would appreciate that unless he said some thing along the lines of "Wake me when you need me"...

How is Ol' Johnny's death lame? It made me cry until Halo 3's ending. Where I cried again at chief being dead until I discovered the Heroic/Normal and Legendary endings. My first time playing through I skipped the credits and turned of my xbox.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 I've been saying what Downes is saying for ages. John, and by extention the Spartans themselves, has no place in the world he's fighting to protect. A quiet death of old age is not a satisfying fate for such a hero, his journey should end either with a heroic death or something symbolic like the end of Halo 3 where he goes into cryo.[/quote] This^ This is exactly the reason I loved the end of 3 and the reason I didn't want the franchise to be picked up again. I loved how bungie handled the end of their trilogy. He didn't die in some cliche, savior-like sacrifice. He just went into cryo to be woken up when the universe needed a hero again. I was content with thinking that he'd just be floating in space forever.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] flamedude Be abducted, be trained into a killer, fight, fight some more, fight even more, die. It's not only predictable for him to die but it also seems ultimately a vicious, cold and unjust end to such an important and virtuous character. [/quote] But that is exactly what happened to all the other Spartans - with an exception or two. And this kind of thing goes on in war and Halo, like the work it is influenced by, has always incorporated the viciousness and senselessness of warfare in their games, especially in Reach, usually to give more depth to their stories and give some sort of emotional personal meaning to the "mission" instead of it just being: we came, we saw, we kicked some ass - the end. And although I think he should die, I can assure you that as long as the games keep making money for Microsoft MC will be safe and remain irrationally immortal.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] flamedude Killing the Chief in a dramatic act of sacrifice might sound like a great idea but it will almost certainly come off as corny, cliched and predictable. It is expected that he die fighting and saving humanity single-handedly, I would much prefer and admire 343i if they didn't go down the road well-travelled and actually allow the Chief to survive the pinnacle of the new trilogy. Think of it this way. The Chief was abducted as a child, indoctrinated into the ways of war, mutilated, sent into war, ordered to kill, ordered to endure pain and suffer and forsake his own freedom and happiness AND THEN he dies...... Yeah right. What sort of message is that for a hero? Be abducted, be trained into a killer, fight, fight some more, fight even more, die. It's not only predictable for him to die but it also seems ultimately a vicious, cold and unjust end to such an important and virtuous character. Then again from a purely business perspective it's unlikely that Microsoft would kill their main video game character that has such a fanbase and loyal following.[/quote] Oh my god yes, this, just this. You summed all of my opinions near exactly, Flamedude, and did a far damn better job of it than I ever could :D So yeah, pretty much exactly what he said ^_^

What if the chief was making a jump from orbit to a planet surface in some epic massive all out battle but in the process breaks his body on impact, going back to the Johnson quote "one of these days your gonna land on something as stubborn as you are..." Whilst broken but not dead the player has to command chief through a short but drawn out battle at which segments of armor are falling apart (e.g you can see his bare hands holding an AR) Until, Broken, bleeding, dying, showing the true power of the spartan, he reaches his objective to end the fight and all that is seen of the closing shot is the reflection of a massive explosion in his eye, engulfing him..........Fin Enter Claire de lune and shots of the cast and crew of halo 6 watching the fountains in las vegas.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] flamedude Be abducted, be trained into a killer, fight, fight some more, fight even more, die. It's not only predictable for him to die but it also seems ultimately a vicious, cold and unjust end to such an important and virtuous character. Then again from a purely business perspective it's unlikely that Microsoft would kill their main video game character that has such a fanbase and loyal following.[/quote]Chief kinda reminds me of Jason Bourne. A killer, but has the potential to walk out of it (at least for a while). It'd be harder for Chief than it was for Bourne but it'd be pretty damn impressive. And yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a Halo 10. :P

His body should parish in a great finale, but his mind should live on with Cortana.

chief needs to relive his life. probably through some freak incident involving a hologram of his family, or something special. something that could make an average gamer (one who doesn't read the novels/follow the story) happy, and make a true halo fan cry. something that'll finish the fight.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TheBestTheyHad He's gotta go out like a boss. Something like Will Smith in I Am Legend. Or Sergeant Forge in Halo Wars. [/quote]Sgt's Forges death was pretty beast.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Kenger Benger [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 I've been saying what Downes is saying for ages. John, and by extention the Spartans themselves, has no place in the world he's fighting to protect. A quiet death of old age is not a satisfying fate for such a hero, his journey should end either with a heroic death or something symbolic like the end of Halo 3 where he goes into cryo.[/quote] I agree. And I don't want him to simply sacrifice himself in a way Jorge did. I want him to go guns blazing slauthering dozens of Covenant before dying. [/quote]Well, theoretically speaking Jorge did kill a lot of Covenant when he had to manually set off that bomb. [Edited on 08.21.2012 11:14 PM PDT]

He's gotta go out like a boss. Something like Will Smith in I Am Legend. Or Sergeant Forge in Halo Wars.

He should die in an amazing sword battle or go out like Emile.

Chief: I must get up and fight the aliens! Cortana: No Chief,[i] you are [/i] the alien. *And then John was the Alien*