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6/12/2012 4:26:37 AM
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Man finds someone molesting his daughter, and kills him...
[url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/11/father-kills-man-who--blam!-ly-abused-daughter-texas_n_1587724.html?ref=crime&icid=maing-grid7%7Chp-laptop%7Cdl3%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D168967]Should he be charged with anything?[/url]
[quote]Sheriff's deputies in Texas won't file charges against a father who they say beat an acquaintance to death after allegedly catching him -blam!-ly abusing the man's 4-year-old daughter.
During a social gathering on Saturday, the girl went inside the family's home in Shiner while other members of the family were tending to horses outside, CNN reported.
The father caught a 47-year-old man -- with whom he was casually acquainted -- attempting to molest his daughter, Lavaca County Sheriff Micah Harmon told the Victoria Advocate. The father then allegedly punched the man in the head until he died, Harmon reported.
The sheriff's office will defer to a grand jury to decide whether charges will be brought against the father.[/quote]
So, should charges be brought against the father? It is clear that he used more force than absolutely necessary here. But, it has been argued in courts before that in certain circumstances, excessive force can be justified.
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I think his acts are completely justifiable. You can't say "Yes, murder is murder." You can't compare a man wanting to do anything he can to protect what's close to him, and a man killing for whatever the victim has in their wallet. Child molesters and the such are treated so well on this earth. I was -blam!-ly abused as a child, only to see the man still free and happy. That stuff doesn't leave you, it causes so much emotional trauma, yet the abuser usually gets a slap on the wrist and is caught for, yet again, -blam!-ly abusing someone else 5 years later. What did the molester expect to happen if he were caught? He would expect to be treated as most -blam!-s and child molesters are. I think most of the people here would be caught in a fit of rage and beat the ever living hell outta the guy as well. When you are put into a situation like that, you're brain either goes into Fight or Flight Mode. He saw it was his daughter, so he fought to the death. Yeah, he could have handled the situation without killing the man, but justice would never be served. It never is. I fully respect the father's intensity of love for his daughter, and the lengths he will go to protect her. Wow...some of the silliest words are censored on B.net... [Edited on 06.12.2012 1:12 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WhiteDragon361 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Blind Wolf To say this man shouldn't be charged because of what the man ALLEGEDLY did to his daughter doesn't give him a free ticket to KILL SOMEONE.[/quote] I think you misread the article. [quote]Sheriff's deputies in Texas won't file charges against a father who they say beat an acquaintance to death after allegedly catching him -blam!-ly abusing the man's 4-year-old daughter.[/quote] He didn't kill the guy because someone told him the guy molested his daughter. He walked in on the act being commited.[/quote] Allegedly.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Blind Wolf To say this man shouldn't be charged because of what the man ALLEGEDLY did to his daughter doesn't give him a free ticket to KILL SOMEONE.[/quote] I think you misread the article. [quote]Sheriff's deputies in Texas won't file charges against a father who they say beat an acquaintance to death after allegedly catching him -blam!-ly abusing the man's 4-year-old daughter.[/quote] He didn't kill the guy because someone told him the guy molested his daughter. He walked in on the act being commited.
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Anybody who will do anything -blam!-ly to a 4 year old deserves to die. This man is a hero.
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If the Flood was the jury: 50% would let this man walk free 40% would sentence him to jail 10% would make fun of the other jurors I can't wait for the next generation of my peers to be selected for jury duty.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Smoke Yes, excessive force. Killing him was unnecessary.[/quote]This. He should have knocked him out (without killing) and taken him to court.
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No not at all, I hope that bastard suffered.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Rose Petals [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Rose Petals [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie Provided that they can find the girl really was molested, he should walk. In the situation described, he acted properly.[/quote] Since when is killing someone acting properly? Unless you're in war. [/quote]He was defending his daughter. War isn't the only place it is acceptable to take a life. Defending your family is a better reason than war any day of the week.[/quote] Bull -blam!-. He wasn't defending his daughter. He jus used unnecessary force to kill a guy. Beating a man on the ground isn't "defending" anyone. [/quote]I'll tell you what, go and have a kid, and then find a pedo molesting your kid. Let's see how indignant you act then... I have a feeling you will be killing some dud with your fists.[/quote] I really doubt that.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Rose Petals [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Rose Petals [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie Provided that they can find the girl really was molested, he should walk. In the situation described, he acted properly.[/quote] Since when is killing someone acting properly? Unless you're in war. [/quote]He was defending his daughter. War isn't the only place it is acceptable to take a life. Defending your family is a better reason than war any day of the week.[/quote] Bull -blam!-. He wasn't defending his daughter. He jus used unnecessary force to kill a guy. Beating a man on the ground isn't "defending" anyone. [/quote]I'll tell you what, go and have a kid, and then find a pedo molesting your kid. Let's see how indignant you act then... I have a feeling you will be killing some dud with your fists.[/quote]Does that justify murder? Why aren't people that kill because of blind rage set free, in that case? Come to think of it, why aren't all murderers set free? Almost all of them obviously were angry at the person.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Rose Petals [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Rose Petals [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie Provided that they can find the girl really was molested, he should walk. In the situation described, he acted properly.[/quote] Since when is killing someone acting properly? Unless you're in war. [/quote]He was defending his daughter. War isn't the only place it is acceptable to take a life. Defending your family is a better reason than war any day of the week.[/quote] Bull -blam!-. He wasn't defending his daughter. He jus used unnecessary force to kill a guy. Beating a man on the ground isn't "defending" anyone. [/quote]I'll tell you what, go and have a kid, and then find a pedo molesting your kid. Let's see how indignant you act then... I have a feeling you will be killing some dud with your fists.[/quote] >Man walks into house. >Second man walks into house after him and kills him. >Second man comes out and tells everyone the first man was molesting his daughter. That is what happened.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Rose Petals [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Rose Petals [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie Provided that they can find the girl really was molested, he should walk. In the situation described, he acted properly.[/quote] Since when is killing someone acting properly? Unless you're in war. [/quote]He was defending his daughter. War isn't the only place it is acceptable to take a life. Defending your family is a better reason than war any day of the week.[/quote] Bull -blam!-. He wasn't defending his daughter. He jus used unnecessary force to kill a guy. Beating a man on the ground isn't "defending" anyone. [/quote]I'll tell you what, go and have a kid, and then find a pedo molesting your kid. Let's see how indignant you act then... I have a feeling you will be killing some dud with your fists.[/quote] No one is -blam!- saying they wouldn't do the same, they simply understand that if someone kills someone else, they deserve to be charged and tried for it. Unless it was self defense, it's murder/manslaughter. To say this man shouldn't be charged because of what the man ALLEGEDLY did to his daughter doesn't give him a free ticket to KILL SOMEONE.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Not Batman No, he shouldn't be charged with anything.[/quote]This because how it has been reported makes it a solid self defense argument. I hope he isn't charged.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] A Blind Wolf [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cage Darkness He shouldnt be charged at all. Any father in that situation would have done the same exact thing And I commend him..One less freak in the world to deal with and have ruining peoples lives[/quote] So we should just go around and kill people without any legal discourse because "they deserved it"? Yeah, that sounds like a great idea. Maybe I should kill you for being stupid. I should be able to walk because I think :you deserved it" for harming people with your stupidity and corrupt moral standards.[/quote] Completely different situation Besides, my opinion has no effect on reality and how charges are dealt with. Just because I think he shouldn't be charged, doesn't mean he shouldn't to you or someone else, or the legal system. Thats the point of an opinion. [i]I[/i] think it was justified But again he still murdered someone, and without putting emotion into it, it wasnt justified. You see where I'm going with this? But thanks for insulting my intelligence, it really shows that you can handle a simple disagreement. [Edited on 06.12.2012 12:49 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Rose Petals [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Rose Petals [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie Provided that they can find the girl really was molested, he should walk. In the situation described, he acted properly.[/quote] Since when is killing someone acting properly? Unless you're in war. [/quote]He was defending his daughter. War isn't the only place it is acceptable to take a life. Defending your family is a better reason than war any day of the week.[/quote] Bull -blam!-. He wasn't defending his daughter. He jus used unnecessary force to kill a guy. Beating a man on the ground isn't "defending" anyone. [/quote]I'll tell you what, go and have a kid, and then find a pedo molesting your kid. Let's see how indignant you act then... I have a feeling you will be killing some dud with your fists.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cage Darkness He shouldnt be charged at all. Any father in that situation would have done the same exact thing And I commend him..One less freak in the world to deal with and have ruining peoples lives[/quote] So we should just go around and kill people without any legal discourse because "they deserved it"? Yeah, that sounds like a great idea. Maybe I should kill you for being stupid. I should be able to walk because I think "you deserved it" for harming people with your stupidity and corrupt moral standards. [Edited on 06.12.2012 12:46 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Rose Petals [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie Provided that they can find the girl really was molested, he should walk. In the situation described, he acted properly.[/quote] Since when is killing someone acting properly? Unless you're in war. [/quote]He was defending his daughter. War isn't the only place it is acceptable to take a life. Defending your family is a better reason than war any day of the week.[/quote] Bull -blam!-. He wasn't defending his daughter. He jus used unnecessary force to kill a guy. Beating a man on the ground isn't "defending" anyone.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Rose Petals [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie Provided that they can find the girl really was molested, he should walk. In the situation described, he acted properly.[/quote] Since when is killing someone acting properly? Unless you're in war. [/quote]He was defending his daughter. War isn't the only place it is acceptable to take a life. Defending your family is a better reason than war any day of the week.[/quote]It could have been defending his family, or unnecessary killing. Not enough info to be sure, but I doubt the man was still trying to harm his daughter as he was getting beaten to death.
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He shouldnt be charged at all. Any father in that situation would have done the same exact thing And I commend him..One less freak in the world to deal with and have ruining peoples lives
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You people saying he shouldn't be charged are morally corrupt. We DO NOT live in world where killing someone because "they deserved it" is a good enough excuse to not charge the killer. This man KILLED someone. He should be punished accordingly. I totally understand how you think the man who died deserved it, but to say the killer shouldn't be charged is -blam!- crossing the line. Of course the flood is full of high schoolers who think they know everything there is to know about morals and legal discourse, so I'll keep it short: If someone breaks the law, they need to be held accountable. They will have their day in court to explain the circumstances so the punishment fits the crime. To totally ignore the victim and their family is wrong. How do you think they feel about letting a man basically get away with murder? [Edited on 06.12.2012 12:41 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] tntbabin unintentionally killing him in the process. [/quote] Unintentional killings still receive charges. I might be blinded by the sun or otherwise distracted and unintentionally run over a kid crossing the street - doesn't mean I won't get charges pressed.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Rose Petals [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie Provided that they can find the girl really was molested, he should walk. In the situation described, he acted properly.[/quote] Since when is killing someone acting properly? Unless you're in war. [/quote]He was defending his daughter. War isn't the only place it is acceptable to take a life. Defending your family is a better reason than war any day of the week.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BDfreshman [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SlenderTheMan He doesn't deserve any charges, he defended his daughter against a child molester.[/quote] And then, once she was safe, proceeded to beat the ever-loving-Christ out of someone. He [i]does[/i] deserve charges.[/quote] One could ague that no,he removed the man from his daughter and then proceeded to incapacitate the man, so that he couldn't harm his daughter anymore, unintentionally killing him in the process.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Munitions lll [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BDfreshman [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SlenderTheMan He doesn't deserve any charges, he defended his daughter against a child molester.[/quote] And then, once she was safe, proceeded to beat the ever-loving-Christ out of someone. He [i]does[/i] deserve charges.[/quote] There are laws that protect him. He did nothing wrong, and it was not premeditated. It's possible that he died after a few punches. How do you know exactly what happened and what overdid it? You don't. Are you related to that perv? You're going really far to defend some of the scum of society. If that guy survived, his inmates would have done much worse to him. [/quote] *thinks of rebuttal* *remembers the crime happened in Texas* Never mind. If someone can use excessive force to brutally beat someone to death and walk, it says a lot about that state's morality. And no, I'm not related to him. I'm not saying he should have gotten off without punishment, but there's a reason we have a judicial branch of government. And it's not so stupid, angry people can fly off the handle and deliver "justice". This thread is making me sick.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Not Batman No, he shouldn't be charged with anything.[/quote]
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Crime of passion. Shouldn't be charged with murder, but maybe manslaughter.
