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5/9/2012 12:24:20 AM
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Same-sex marriage opinion?
Do you think it should be allowed, I think over 50% of Americans already support it so it probably will be legalized soon.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gulltralisk [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Owl of Wisdom Not necessarily. The abnormality has to be quite serious. People with really bad diseases like sickle cell, AIDS, etc should have some rights taken. People who are born mentally unstable should also have a few rights stripped away. [/quote] That's still denying rights to people who are afflicted with things that they can't necessarily control. People with muscular dystrophy are still capable of being perfectly productive and helpful citizens, despite their very severe movement impairment. Stephen Hawking can't even vocalize or move around properly without artificial enhancement, and he's one of the greatest scientific minds alive. Are you saying we should deny rights to them?[/quote] It really depends. I'm not saying they won't have freedom. Also, I should end this now. I have an AP calculus test in the morning. Thanks for the discussion everyone.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Owl of Wisdom [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] oaklandp8ntbalr [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Owl of Wisdom You can only ban rights related to abnormal people. [/quote] You're banning individual rights, eh? This is why so many people disagree with you. It comes down to ideological differences. Most of us here believe in democracy and liberty. It is now clear to me, though, that you do not believe in either of these. This whole argument, at is core, comes down to basic political ideological differences. Of which there is no point debating, at least not here. [quote]You could sterilize them to cleanse the gene pool, but of course no one will ever go for that.[/quote] Confirmed. You are on the total opposite side of the political spectrum. And if there's anything I've learned, there's no point arguing over it.[/quote] So basically you're calling me authoritarian? Anyway, control and liberty can go hand in hand. Or at least for the majority. I'm actually a democrat and socialist. I'll leave that alone though. [/quote] Yes, yes I am. You actually sound quite Fascist to me. You believe in sacrificing individual rights for the betterment of the majority. You also mentioned sterilization of those "unfit," such as the obese. You are most certainly NOT a socialist. Socialists believe in total equality for everyone. You are doing the EXACT OPPOSITE of that. However, I am now straying into political territory. I don't want to tempt a ban.
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Anyone against it is an idiot. If you are for it, provide me with one good reason why it shouldn't be legal that has no tie in with religion.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] theHurtfulTurkey [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gulltralisk This guy sounds oddly like a satire I wrote back for 9th grade lit, wherein I said we could fix the world by castrating most stupid people and using them as a guardian slave race.[/quote] How does castration change your race?[/quote] Well, the plan was that we castrate the ones with less-than-favorable physical genetic traits, and selectively breed the strong, especially ignorant ones until they become a separate race entirely.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] chemiheadies [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Owl of Wisdom [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] chemiheadies It's normal. Get over it. [/quote] Again, you obviously don't know what abnormal means. [/quote] Oh it's so [i]obvious[/i] An abnormality is something that is rare and doesn't normally occur. In this case, -blam!--blam!-ity has occurred since the existence of humanity and is therefore normal. [/quote] You pretty much confirmed what I've been saying. How many people are straight and how many are -blam!-? You'll see straight people out number -blam!- people. Why? Because being -blam!- isn't normal. Mental retardation has been around since the dawn of man? Is it normal? Were we meant to evolve that way? I don't think so.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] cromy1 [/quote] He's either trolling, indoctrinated, a moron, or some mix of the three. Don't respond.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Owl of Wisdom Not necessarily. The abnormality has to be quite serious. People with really bad diseases like sickle cell, AIDS, etc should have some rights taken. People who are born mentally unstable should also have a few rights stripped away. [/quote] That's still denying rights to people who are afflicted with things that they can't necessarily control. People with muscular dystrophy are still capable of being perfectly productive and helpful citizens, despite their very severe movement impairment. Stephen Hawking can't even vocalize or move around properly without artificial enhancement, and he's one of the greatest scientific minds alive. Are you saying we should deny rights to them?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dayvan Cowboy Why should I care? It doesn't effect me at all so of course they can get married.[/quote] Clearly you don't have a goddamn clue what you are talking about. Of course it effects you. It effects the kindergarten children that are forced to learn about homo-blam!-ity. It effects you because the vast majority of homo-blam!-s are atheist, and want to not only force their views down your throat, but want to eliminate christianity so that they don't feel guilty about what they are doing. It effects all walks of people and all parts of society. The more God-less we become the more evil a society we become. You want America to go down the -blam!-er fast than it already is, then support -blam!- marriage.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] oaklandp8ntbalr [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Owl of Wisdom You can only ban rights related to abnormal people. [/quote] You're banning individual rights, eh? This is why so many people disagree with you. It comes down to ideological differences. Most of us here believe in democracy and liberty. It is now clear to me, though, that you do not believe in either of these. This whole argument, at is core, comes down to basic political ideological differences. Of which there is no point debating, at least not here. [quote]You could sterilize them to cleanse the gene pool, but of course no one will ever go for that.[/quote] Confirmed. You are on the total opposite side of the political spectrum. And if there's anything I've learned, there's no point arguing over it.[/quote] So basically you're calling me authoritarian? Anyway, control and liberty can go hand in hand. Or at least for the majority. I'm actually a democrat and socialist. I'll leave that alone though.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gulltralisk This guy sounds oddly like a satire I wrote back for 9th grade lit, wherein I said we could fix the world by castrating most stupid people and using them as a guardian slave race.[/quote] How does castration change your race?
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This guy sounds oddly like a satire I wrote back for 9th grade lit, wherein I said we could fix the world by castrating most stupid people and using them as a guardian slave race.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gulltralisk [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Owl of Wisdom That's not what I'm saying at all. You can't ban an abnormality. You can only ban rights related to abnormal people. In this case, who abnormal people getting married. I don't see why this is hard. [/quote] Okay. So, if you're paralyzed from the waist down. It's reasonable to deny rights to you. >reasonable to deny rights >denying rights >reasonable[/quote] Not necessarily. The abnormality has to be quite serious. People with really bad diseases like sickle cell, AIDS, etc should have some rights taken. People who are born mentally unstable should also have a few rights stripped away.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Owl of Wisdom [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Technoxious What do you mean? There are many genetic diseases that cause people to be obese no matter what they do. Please define exactly what you mean when you say an abnormality.[/quote] Again mate, I explained it on page 16. And you're right in regards to obesity being like with genetic problems. You could sterilize them to cleanse the gene pool, but of course no one will ever go for that. [/quote]Actually, you didn't. No surprise you're resorting to lying now.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Owl of Wisdom You can only ban rights related to abnormal people. [/quote] You're banning individual rights, eh? This is why so many people disagree with you. It comes down to ideological differences. Most of us here believe in democracy and liberty. It is now clear to me, though, that you do not believe in either of these. This whole argument, at is core, comes down to basic political ideological differences. Of which there is no point debating, at least not here. [quote]You could sterilize them to cleanse the gene pool, but of course no one will ever go for that.[/quote] Confirmed. You are on the total opposite side of the political spectrum. And if there's anything I've learned, there's no point arguing over it. [Edited on 05.08.2012 8:54 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Owl of Wisdom [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] chemiheadies It's normal. Get over it. [/quote] Again, you obviously don't know what abnormal means. [/quote] Oh it's so [i]obvious[/i] An abnormality is something that is rare and doesn't normally occur. In this case, homo-blam!-ity has occurred since the existence of humanity and is therefore normal.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Technoxious What do you mean? There are many genetic diseases that cause people to be obese no matter what they do. Please define exactly what you mean when you say an abnormality.[/quote] Again mate, I explained it on page 16. And you're right in regards to obesity being like with genetic problems. You could sterilize them to cleanse the gene pool, but of course no one will ever go for that.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Owl of Wisdom That's not what I'm saying at all. You can't ban an abnormality. You can only ban rights related to abnormal people. In this case, who abnormal people getting married. I don't see why this is hard. [/quote] Okay. So, if you're paralyzed from the waist down. It's reasonable to deny rights to you. >reasonable to deny rights >denying rights >reasonable [Edited on 05.08.2012 8:51 PM PDT]
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If common sense was....well common, people would realize that it doesn't affect them. So yes.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Owl of Wisdom [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Technoxious [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Owl of Wisdom [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Technoxious [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Owl of Wisdom [/quote] Can you restate your argument please?[/quote] It was many things actually. I supported my opinion in regards to same sex marriage my saying we shouldn't condone an abnormality. And then I had to explain how it was an abnormality.[/quote] Can you do it again? How do you define an abnormality? Do you also think obese people shouldn't be married, as their obesity could be considered an undesirable "abnormality"?[/quote] Obesity can be controlled. Also, I explained it on page 16. [/quote] What do you mean? There are many genetic diseases that cause people to be obese no matter what they do. Please define exactly what you mean when you say an abnormality.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Owl of Wisdom [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gulltralisk [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Owl of Wisdom So in other words you're too stupid to make a valid counter argument? I have yet to see you contribute anything with the exception of misconstruing my posts because you lack the ability to understand what I said. Contradict them, and maybe, just maybe I wont take you for an idiot. [/quote] It's hard to contradict baseless, illogical claims. I mean, if we were to ban any abnormalities, then being disabled is gonna have to be illegal, since being disabled isn't normal. Our legs were meant to be used for walking. Can't walk? You get the ax, I guess. Or at least, that's what [i]you're[/i] saying.[/quote] That's not what I'm saying at all. You can't ban an abnormality. You can only ban rights related to abnormal people. In this case, who abnormal people getting married. I don't see why this is hard. [/quote]So midgets, for example, can't get married? [Edited on 05.08.2012 8:49 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] chemiheadies It's normal. Get over it. [/quote] Again, you obviously don't know what abnormal means.
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[url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=72066860&postRepeater1-p=13]I had never used a counterargument in the past.[/url] Definitely.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gulltralisk [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Owl of Wisdom So in other words you're too stupid to make a valid counter argument? I have yet to see you contribute anything with the exception of misconstruing my posts because you lack the ability to understand what I said. Contradict them, and maybe, just maybe I wont take you for an idiot. [/quote] It's hard to contradict baseless, illogical claims. I mean, if we were to ban any abnormalities, then being disabled is gonna have to be illegal, since being disabled isn't normal. Our legs were meant to be used for walking. Can't walk? You get the ax, I guess. Or at least, that's what [i]you're[/i] saying.[/quote] That's not what I'm saying at all. You can't ban an abnormality. You can only ban rights related to abnormal people. In this case, who abnormal people getting married. I don't see why this is hard.
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It's normal. Get over it. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Owl of Wisdom [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] chemiheadies [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Owl of Wisdom [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Technoxious [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Owl of Wisdom [/quote] Can you restate your argument please?[/quote] It was many things actually. I supported my opinion in regards to same sex marriage my saying we shouldn't condone an abnormality. And then I had to explain how it was an abnormality.[/quote] [url=http://sujaiblog.blogspot.com/2006/10/is--blam!--blam!-ity-natural.html]It is natural, it is human.[/url] "-blam!--blam!-ity is found in every culture, every religion, every nation, in both female and male, and at all ages. It has been found since time immemorial and is in fact as old as human itself. It is not something very different from a left-handedness, which is seen in minority population but is still normal. It is not a handicap by which a -blam!--blam!- is not able to perform certain physical or mental activities which a hetero-blam!- can. Except for -blam!- orientation, a -blam!--blam!- is similar to a hetero-blam!-. It is neither a genetic defect nor a biological abnormality. -blam!--blam!-s are normal people with a different -blam!- orientation."[/quote] You obviously don't know what abnormal means. [/quote]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Technoxious [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Owl of Wisdom [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Technoxious [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Owl of Wisdom [/quote] Can you restate your argument please?[/quote] It was many things actually. I supported my opinion in regards to same sex marriage my saying we shouldn't condone an abnormality. And then I had to explain how it was an abnormality.[/quote] Can you do it again? How do you define an abnormality? Do you also think obese people shouldn't be married, as their obesity could be considered an undesirable "abnormality"?[/quote] Obesity can be controlled. Also, I explained it on page 16.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Owl of Wisdom So in other words you're too stupid to make a valid counter argument? I have yet to see you contribute anything with the exception of misconstruing my posts because you lack the ability to understand what I said. Contradict them, and maybe, just maybe I wont take you for an idiot. [/quote] It's hard to contradict baseless, illogical claims. I mean, if we were to ban any abnormalities, then being disabled is gonna have to be illegal, since being disabled isn't normal. Our legs were meant to be used for walking. Can't walk? You get the ax, I guess. Or at least, that's what [i]you're[/i] saying. We should totally deny Stephen Hawking, one of the [i]brightest and most useful scientific minds in history,[/i] rights. Cause Y'know He isn't normal. [Edited on 05.08.2012 8:47 PM PDT]
