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If you want good gaming headphones, Don't Get Turtle Beaches!

[b][i][u]This thread needs to be revised. I will do so in the future, as my schedule is booked for the rest of the year. However, the information contained in this thread is still accurate.[/u][/i][/b] [u]Scroll down to the Miscellaneous section for regular good gaming headsets.[/u] After spending hours of research and testing these headphones with all of their settings, the scam now known as Turtle Beaches will finally be exposed. Audio and Video are my specialty, so you can believe me. The two headphones most commonly purchased: [url=http://www.turtlebeach.com/products/efx41/home.aspx]Turtle Beach X41[/url] [url=http://www.turtlebeach.com/products/efx4a/home.aspx]Turtle Beach X4[/url] Turtle Beaches would have to be considered (bluntly) an overly designed piece of crap. Everything the company claims the headphone is capable of is false. Besides the cool look and the nice fit onto someone's head; the Turtle Beaches are the second largest scam among Audio users since Bose. Claiming to give you the True Dolby Digital 5.1 experience is nothing more than the average stereo audio you get with any other pair of headphones. Isolating the 5.1 experience with pseudo tags and non-existent features to cover up the 5.1 with normal stereo. Right about now I am guessing you are getting ready to quote and contradict, before you do my accusation is the lack of the 5.1 experience. Which can only be achieved by more than 1 driver per ear-cup or proper sound phasing(which is non-existent for TBs). If you are wondering what a driver is, [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Headphone-transducer.jpg]it's the device that creates its own isolated signal of audio.[/url] To get the True 5.1 Dolby experience, you are required to have 4 drivers per ear-cup. The Turtle Beach has a larger than normal [url=http://www.turtlebeach.com/products/efx4a/home.aspx]50mm driver[/url] per ear-cup. Not meeting the requirements for 5.1 Dolby. Now along with offering features that do work, it doesn't mask the fact that there is no True 5.1 Dolby. [url=http://images.techtree.com/ttimages/story/Zalman-ZM-RS6F-3.jpg]This is what the true 5.1 Dolby Headphone would look like when opened.[/url] Also note that the headphone picture given only supports Dolby Pro Logic a 4 channel audio, front right, center, front left, and mono surround. With a True 5.1 Dolby there would be 4 drivers not 3. To get the 5.1 you would have to have the the base (the .1 part of the 5.1) and left/right surround in each ear. Making 5.1 headphones really, 5.2 or 8 channel audio. In other words, the audio is crammed into one driver per ear. You are sharing all the signals of audio including someone's voice into just one driver! You might as well just try to talk to someone across the highway. The response you'd get would be just the sound of tires burning up against concrete. So for all those who were going to purchase Turtle Beaches, but have since wanted to save money and not sacrifice their experience I will give a list of good headphones to purchase instead. These are Dolby Certified and Dolby recommend: *[url]http://www.trittontechnologies.com/index.php/products/gaming_audio_technology/ax-720/[/url] *[url]http://www.astrogaming.com/products/detail/3/A40-Audio-System/[/url] *[url]http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/gaming/headsets/devices/5095&cl=us,en[/url] *[url]http://www.plantronics.com/north_america/en_US/products/computer/pc-gaming-headsets/gamecom-777?WT.svl=homefeatures[/url] I hope you take my advice and don't buy a pair of Turtle Beaches. Game with good audio, so don't use Turtle Beaches. [b]Audio headphones only, no attached microphone. Optical audio only.[/b] *[url=http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10151&catalogId=10551&langId=-1&productId=11035276#specifications]Dolby Digital Wireless Headphones MDR-DS3000 Sony[/url] *[url=http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/310456-REG/Pioneer_SEDIR800C_SE_DIR800C_Infrared_Wireless.html#features]Pioneer SE-DIR800C - Infrared Dolby Digital 5.1 Wireless Headphone System[/url] *[url=http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&productId=11038888&langId=-1#reviews]2.4GHz Digital RF Wireless MDR-DS6000 Sony[/url] *[url=http://www.ecost.com/detail.aspx?edp=37128542&source=EWBBASE&cm_mmc=CSE-_-google-_-ewbbase-_-Electronics&CAWELAID=366857367]TB True 5.1 Surround Sound Stereo Wireless Headphones - Q-HOME-FX[/url] *[url=http://www.accessoryjack.com/Detail.bok?no=745]Pioneer SE-DRS3000C Wireless 2.4GHz Digital 5.1[/url] *[url=http://www.staples.com/LTB-Q-HOME-FX-True-2.4GHz-Dolby-Digital-Digital-Stereo-Wireless-Headphone/product_754302?cm_mmc=GoogleBase-_-Shopping-_-Technology%3EMp3_%26_Accessories-_-754302-Q-HOME-FX]LTB Q-HOME-FX True 2.4GHz Dolby Digital & Digital Stereo Wireless Headphone[/url] *[url=http://www.eardio.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=141]NOVAC CHAMPION HP-850XB DOLBY DIGITAL 5.1 HEADPHONE[/url] [b]Headphones with microphones. Optical audio.[/b] *[url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16868996045&nm_mc=OTC-Froogle&cm_mmc=OTC-Froogle-_-Xbox+360+-+Accessories-_-SHARKOON+Technologies-_-68996045]SHARKOON X-Tatic 5.1 Dolby Digital Surround Sound Headset[/url] *[url=http://www.encoredataproducts.com/Gaming-headphones-LTB-Audio-Q-HOME-FX-Wireless-True-5.1-Six-channel-one-piece-Headphone-System-p-2017.html]LTB Audio Q-HOME-FX Wireless True 5.1 Six-channel one piece Headphone System[/url] *[url=http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/580476-REG/Beyerdynamic_498629_Headzone_Game_Surround_Sound.html]Beyerdynamic Headzone Game Surround Sound Headset System[/url] ************************************************************* [i][b][u]Miscellaneous List[/b][/u][/i] *Not 5.1 Dolby Digital *[url=http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1SKPC_enUS342US343&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=Sennheiser+HD-280]Sennheiser HD-280[/url] Also note that Turtle Beaches count for 50% of the gaming headset market. So the chances of finding good headphones without running into Turtle Beaches can be quite hard. [quote][b]What is Optical Audio?[/b] Optical Audio is the same as fiber optic network connection. It uses the same method of data transfer through fiber cables. It allows for higher bit rates of audio. 1.5 Mega bits per second is the highest audio bit rate available on Optical Audio.[/quote] [quote][b]Why can't I use my normal analogue signal?[/b] The reason you can't use your normal signal is because it doesn't support 5.1 DD. The highest you can get with 2 channel audio is Dolby Pro Logic I or II. Dolby Pro Logic is a 4 channel audio signal that can be achieved with a headset with 2 drivers per ear-cup. Pro Logic is front left, center, front right, and mono surround. Most headphones listed support normal audio when you are not using optical. [/quote] More Updates. If there are anymore FAQ's then I will write them out. [Edited on 09.04.2010 6:48 PM PDT]
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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Commander Santa I'll admit, I'm no audiophile. However, I've owned a pair of Turtle Beach X3's for over a year now and love them. I don't care if they aren't true surround sound, or dolby, or whatnot. They didn't cost $300,000.00 dollars and I enjoy them just the same. That being said...If Turtle Beach is advertising their products falsely, then you have done a great service to all of the gaming community for people who are into this stuff. For that I thank you and applaud you.[/quote] What this guy said. Except, I don't own Turtle Beaches. I use regular headphones... :P They work fine for me. They costed me 8 dollars with my laptop. Works perfectly. But for others, if you're going for quality, this is a valid thread. For all the other whiners... I see where you're coming from. I don't want to pay 200 dollars for this stuff. It's just not my thing. I'm willing to spend 8 dollars and be done with it. But if you're going for quality, I think this guy knows what he's talking about.

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  • I own X31s. They're awesome until you stop playing CoD. I mean the sound quality isn't bad. Its pretty good, and you can tell where people are coming from. But they don't match up to surround sound, and after using them, my TV speakers won't work so I am forced to use them.

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  • I just use my logitech surround sound.

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  • Thread saved :)

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  • +1 Lots of info and example and comparisons, also lots of other brands. Nice job. Thread saved.

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  • I own X41's, I love them!

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  • Well, my little brother bought Turtle Beach headsets and I can't really complain as they're a huge improvement oer what I got with my 360 (stupid little headphone that broke easily and couldn't even get the mic in front of my mouth). He did however buy Need for Speed: Shift instead of Forza 3 which made me want to slap him. [Edited on 07.11.2010 4:35 PM PDT]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] nick19100 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CIeopatra [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] nick19100 I have been looking around for cheap headphones. Although they are not 5.1 they are good if you are looking for headphones that are cheap like Turtle Beaches. Essentially they are the same thing as Turtle Beaches just cheaper. Win Win! [url=http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Tritton+Technologies+-+Stereo+Gaming+Headset+for+Xbox+360,+PS3,+Wii+and+Mac/Windows/9466133.p?skuId=9466133&id=1218109499568]Stereo Gaming Headset for Xbox 360, PS3, Wii and Mac/Windows[/url][/quote] Necrobumping is frowned upon.[/quote] People have found this list to be helpful. Otherwise I wouldn't do it. People who bump a thread about why Halo 3 sucks is normally not met with positive responses. [/quote] You made this thread 3 months ago. People found my noob guide helpful, I didn't bump it two months after it was made.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CIeopatra [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] nick19100 I have been looking around for cheap headphones. Although they are not 5.1 they are good if you are looking for headphones that are cheap like Turtle Beaches. Essentially they are the same thing as Turtle Beaches just cheaper. Win Win! [url=http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Tritton+Technologies+-+Stereo+Gaming+Headset+for+Xbox+360,+PS3,+Wii+and+Mac/Windows/9466133.p?skuId=9466133&id=1218109499568]Stereo Gaming Headset for Xbox 360, PS3, Wii and Mac/Windows[/url][/quote] Necrobumping is frowned upon.[/quote] People have found this list to be helpful. Otherwise I wouldn't do it. People who bump a thread about why Halo 3 sucks is normally not met with positive responses.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] nick19100 I have been looking around for cheap headphones. Although they are not 5.1 they are good if you are looking for headphones that are cheap like Turtle Beaches. Essentially they are the same thing as Turtle Beaches just cheaper. Win Win! [url=http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Tritton+Technologies+-+Stereo+Gaming+Headset+for+Xbox+360,+PS3,+Wii+and+Mac/Windows/9466133.p?skuId=9466133&id=1218109499568]Stereo Gaming Headset for Xbox 360, PS3, Wii and Mac/Windows[/url][/quote] Necrobumping is frowned upon. [Edited on 07.11.2010 4:27 PM PDT]

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  • I have been looking around for cheap headphones. Although they are not 5.1 they are good if you are looking for headphones that are cheap like Turtle Beaches. Essentially they are the same thing as Turtle Beaches just cheaper. Win Win! [url=http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Tritton+Technologies+-+Stereo+Gaming+Headset+for+Xbox+360,+PS3,+Wii+and+Mac/Windows/9466133.p?skuId=9466133&id=1218109499568]Stereo Gaming Headset for Xbox 360, PS3, Wii and Mac/Windows[/url]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] KILLA KONA V2 [quote]Then again the wall of text says otherwise[/quote]yes, your wall of,"HAHAHA i have A40s so everything else is sub-par" next time try to say something other than, "because i said so"[/quote] That could be put bluntly as the most self-contradicting hypocritical statement I have ever read on this site. Your argument revolves around "Because I Said So." I don't even own the headphones listed. I own [url=http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=11035219]these[/url]. It is logically fallacious to argue such a point with little to no information to backup your argument.

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  • [quote]Then again the wall of text says otherwise[/quote]yes, your wall of,"HAHAHA i have A40s so everything else is sub-par" next time try to say something other than, "because i said so"

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  • Wow 100 posts. Thanks everyone. I am upset that Turtle Beaches need to be falsely advertised as such they are with the lack of features that they claim exist. That's my big beef against them. They need to be advertised as Stereo headphones, not DD 5.1.

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  • Mt TB's work just fine for me.

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  • I have astro a40's problem solved.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] KILLA KONA V2 [quote]Have you ever heard of Sound Phasing? It's very limited with only 1 driver per ear cup[/quote][quote]i have turtle beaches and i love them[/quote] i don't need to know how they work. all i need to know is that they sound good and that you are wrong[/quote] All right then. I'm wrong [i]you[/i] have established that. Then again the wall of text says otherwise. But what do I know?

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  • Thank you. I can now take this thread and shove it in the faces of my Turtle Beach loving friends who say its BETTER than my 7.1 Surround. Like, wtf?

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  • [quote]Have you ever heard of Sound Phasing? It's very limited with only 1 driver per ear cup[/quote][quote]i have turtle beaches and i love them[/quote] i don't need to know how they work. all i need to know is that they sound good and that you are wrong

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  • how is Bose a ripoff for audio? Theyre $400 headphones may be expensive, but they sound AMAZING.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BoyceKRP [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] nick19100 [url]http://www.trittontechnologies.com/index.php/products/gaming_audio_technology/ax-720/[/url][/quote] I've heard those are terrible... Anyway, I have the Ear Force x10 or something like that. Need new batteries, but they are wireless and sound amazing, so, they're nice.[/quote] I'm wearing the x41s right now. No regrets whatsoever, these things are amazing.

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  • Astros > all other headphones.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] grunt taxidriver i have turtle beach X31s and they're awesome! dont know why anyone would spend more than 100+ on -blam!- ing headphones anyways so i dont care what you say about the X41s because they're like 200$ and there are better things to spend 200$ on regardless of what company makes the headphones.[/quote] Like I have been saying the whole time this thread has been alive. [i]"It's all subjective to one's tastes."[/i] However you can be easily scammed into nothing with these damn headphones (Turtle Beaches) that are pieces of crap.

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  • I'll admit, I'm no audiophile. However, I've owned a pair of Turtle Beach X3's for over a year now and love them. I don't care if they aren't true surround sound, or dolby, or whatnot. They didn't cost $300,000.00 dollars and I enjoy them just the same. That being said...If Turtle Beach is advertising their products falsely, then you have done a great service to all of the gaming community for people who are into this stuff. For that I thank you and applaud you.

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  • i have turtle beach X31s and they're awesome! dont know why anyone would spend more than 100+ on -blam!- ing headphones anyways so i dont care what you say about the X41s because they're like 200$ and there are better things to spend 200$ on regardless of what company makes the headphones.

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