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4/23/2004 3:22:28 AM
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Little guide to the knowledge of the PC

[b]*WARNING DO NOT BUY SAPHIRE RADEON 9800PRO[/b] [*][color=white]This might help you if you consider upgrading your computer. First off , this guide is dedicated to the people who have no knowledge about computer and who think that a celeron 2.8ghz is better than a duron 1.4 ghz. If you dont know what those 2 word means.....realy read this post. 1- The Cpu (Central Processing Unit) Your CPU is used to calculate things (YIPE) like player position, shadow, bullet speed, damage and about everything else that need to be calculated. In fact games that has some complex AI (if you dont know what AI mean .... go watch Red vs Blue ..... If you dont know whta is red vs blue leave this forum now) will need a better CPU (Like the halo campain). Your cpu has ALMOST nothing to do with the visual appearence of a game (This is handled by the video card) so if you want better visual and you have an half decent cpu dont even bother upgrading it. ........So lets go into details There is 2 brand of cpu : INTEL (INTegrated ELectronic) and AMD (Advanced Micro Device) INTEL Pentium 1 Play game that are 10 years old .... if you want to play halo or any other game get a newer CPU Pentium 2 Same things as pentium 1 Pentium 3 This CPU is the minimum to play today game and its the VERY minimum. P3 range from 450 to 1300 mhz. If you have a P3 with less than 800 mhz you will not be able to play halo. With more than 800mhz you will be able to play halo (or some other new games) but with poor performance. Pentium 4 There is 4 variant of the p4 : The P4a , the P4b , the P4c and the P4e P4a (1.3ghz to 1.8ghz) Mhz for Mhz the p3 is better than those CPU. The P4a is a rushed CPU made by intel to compete with the AMD. Those CPU were and are still a waste of money. Those cpu were replaced by the P4b. Using a p4a you will be able to play halo with some good fps (depending on the speed of it and of your video card) but in the campain and in medium fight you will notice some major slow down... P4b (1.8ghz to 2.6ghz (i do think that there is a 2.8ghz version)) A much better version of the P4. Still weaker than the AMD variant those p4 offer good perfomance in every game including halo. With a cpu like this (still depend on his speed) you will be able to play halo with good fps with some minor slowdown in big fight. P4c (2.4ghz to 3.4ghz) also called NORTHWOOD The best series of P4. Those cpu are very powerfull and are only beaten by the more recent AMD 64bit CPU. With a cpu like this you should be able (if you have a good video card) to play halo with almost no slow down of any kind. (Those cpu are also good overclocker). If you want this CPU to perform to his max you MUST have dual channel ram (more on that later). P4e (2.4ghz to 3.4ghz) also called PRESCOTT In one word : WASTE. Those cpu perform less than the "c" version of the p4 and HEAT A LOT. If you buy this cpu you will no longer need to heat your room during winter. Celeron (any kind) Pure waste of silicon and money. Those cpu are a shame. Take your money and go buya real cpu. In fact a 2.4ghz Celeron is 50 to 70 % slower than a cheap (30$) AMD Duron 1400mhz. If you play halo with this cpu you will get some major slow down even in calm zone. P4 extreme A VERY VERY expensive Cpu. If you play halo with this cpu you not notice any lag even in the biggest fight. For 1000$+ those cpu are a waste of money over the less expensive athlon 64 who offer equivalent performance. AMD NOTE : THE NUMBER THAT REPRESENT THE CPU (EX: 3200+) DO NOT REPRESENT THE CLOCK SPEED (A 3200+ run at 2.2ghz) but dont be fooled clock rate do not represent speed. Ex: A A64 3400+ at 2.4 ghz is faster than a p4c 3.2ghz. K6 Waste. Athlon "no xp" (600 to 1400mhz) Those cpu perform a little less than the p3 With a 800 mhz Athlon or more you SHOULD be able to play halo with 5 fps (Frame per second) Athlon xp (1400+ to 3200+) Those cpu are cheap, fast, stable....(speed depend on the model) Generaly those cpu are the best choice for a cheap and good pc. Cheaper than the best celeron the slowest athlon xp (1400+) can triple the performance of the celeron. Go figure... Those CPU will play halo very well depending on the model. 1400 to 2000 = Small slowdown in big battle 2200 to 3200 = Very good performance Athlon 64 (2800, 3000, 3200, 3400) The A64 2800 is litterally the best price/performance cpu out there. The A64 3400 is among the best cpu ever made so far. For the price those cpu are great , and 64 bit is a bonus. Any of those CPU play halo with no lag of any kind. :D (Those are my personnal favorite) Athlon FX (51-53) Pretty much like the P4 Extreme edition but ..... faster and with 64 bit (more like a bonus). Those are simply the fastest. If you have problem playing halo with those one you are smoking good things or you have a very bad video card. 2-The video card The video card is the what generate all the beatifull effect in a game (ie: halo). There is 2 company who make video card : ATI and NVIDIA (Any other brand is PURE waste). The better your video card the faster the frame will go (FPS : frame per second). Cards will be classified like this: -Name: xxxxxxx -Memory: xxx -Speed: xx/10 -Comment: xxxxxxxxxxx NVIDIA -Name: Geforce 256 and less -Memory: 16,32 or 64 -Speed: 0.5/10 -Comment: i would not bother playing halo with this. -Name: Geforce2 -Memory: 16,32 or 64 -Speed: 1.5/10 -Comment: Fair performance for its age and very low price. -Name: Geforce2 mx -Memory: 32 or 64 -Speed: 0.2/10 -Comment: Forget it. -Name: Geforce3 -Memory: 32 or 64 -Speed: 3 or 4 depending on the model /10 -Comment: Aging but still good cards (better than any mx) and you can have those for very low $$$. -Name: Geforce4 mx400 or 440 -Memory: 64 or 128 -Speed: 2/10 -Comment: A glorified Geforce 2 with higher clock rate. -Name: Geforce 4 Ti-4200 -Memory: 64 or 128 -Speed: 4/10 -Comment: VERY good card for the price but no directx 9 support (less eyes candy). Showing its age. BTW the 128 mb version WITH agp 8x is the fastest version. The 128 mb version with no agp is a card using very slow ram. -Name: Geforce 4 Ti-4400 -Memory: 64 or 128 -Speed: 4.2/10 -Comment: An overclocked Ti-4200. Get a 4200 and overclock it... -Name: Geforce 4 Ti-4600 -Memory:64 or 128 -Speed: 4.4/10 -Comment: An overclocked Ti-4400. Get a 4200 and overclock it more... The FX cards got 2 version : non-ultra and ultra..... The ultra is an overclocked version of the other. Basically 10-15% faster. -Name: Geforce FX-5200 and 5200ultra -Memory: 64, 128 and 256 -Speed: 2/10 -Comment: Waste of money, the 128 and 256 mb version are even more a waste. Halo is playable but almost no eye candy. Low fps in large battle. "Support DX9" -Name: Geforce FX-5500 -Memory: 128 and 256 -Speed: 2.1/10 -Comment: A tad faster than the fx5200, but still very crappy as a card. -Name: Geforce FX-5600 and 5600ultra -Memory: 128 -Speed: 3.5/10 -Comment: I am sceptical about those card. They perform slow in some game and good in other. In halo they run between slow and medium. Not all the eyes candy can be turned on. Support DX9 -Name: Geforce FX-5700 and 5700ultra -Memory: 128 and 256 -Speed: 4.5/10 -Comment: Pretty good mid-range card. Use good memory. Halo playable with smooth frame rate. Some slowdown in battle. Eye candy turned on and 800x600 should be playable. 256mb Version not much expensive compared to 128mb but still not much performance difference. Support DX9 -Name: Geforce FX-5800 and 5800ultra -Memory: 6.5/10 -Speed: 128 and 256 -Comment: Also called the leaf blower this card make terrible noise and push a lot of air. A big fiasquo. Run realy bad in some game. *Discontinued* . Performance in halo are good with some visual quality problem. "Support DX9" -Name: Geforce FX-5900 and 5900ultra -Memory: 128 and 256 -Speed: 8.8/10 -Comment: Much better version of the 5800. This card is less noisy. Performance are a bit under the ATI equivalent , the 9800pro. Performance in halo should be very good with all eyes candy on and a resolution of 1024*768. Support DX9 -Name: Geforce FX-5950ultra -Memory: 256 -Speed: 9/10 -Comment: Not much more speed than the 5900ultra (1-4% more) but a BIG price difference...Basically a overclocked 5900ultra. Support DX9 -Name: Geforce FX-5900XT -Memory: 128 -Speed: 7/10 -Comment: This is a VERY good card for the price. It can even be overclocked to a 5900ultra. Good halo performance. Support DX9. -Name: Geforce FX-6800 -Memory: 256mb -Speed: 10/10 -Comment: Very good card. Support PS 3.0. About 40% faster than FX-5900 [b]-Name: Geforce FX-6800GT -Memory: 256mb -Speed: 13.9/10 -Comment: The best card to get at the moment, Kill everything for the price!!![/b] -Name: Geforce FX-6800LE -Memory: 128mb -Speed: 8.5/10 -Comment: Much faster than the 9800pro/5900ultra in some games....slower in other. Good card for 200$ and less. -Name: Geforce FX-6800ultra -Memory: 256mb -Speed: 14/10 -Comment: About 100-120% faster than 5950ultra... [/color] [Edited on 8/29/2004 11:25:30 AM]
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  • Halo 2 isn coming out right away for computer, but my geuss is they will eventually release it for cpu, but thats not gonna happen for a long time.

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  • [quote]The sales guy told me that FX5700LE performance was somewhere between Radeon 9600 and 9600XT. Did he tell me the truth?[/quote] He did not lie. Its a good card BUT you should have get the 128mb version wich should be cheaper and as fast (if not more). [quote]I have an Xbox that I use for campaign. For online, I want to use my 2-3 year old HP from Costco with a 1.8GHz P4 and 512MB RAM. I want to run lagless Halo online, at the next video resolution ABOVE 800x600, and understand that video (under)performance is often the source of "lag."[/quote] Increasing your resolution is only videocard side...The cpu is not going to hold you back. [quote]Oh. And I just can't pass up the opportunity to chip in on the "Halo 2 coming to PC" conversation: For less $$$$ than most of you would pay to get just the video card (no cpu upgrades, memory upgrades, etc., etc.) to play Halo 2, four years from now, you can buy Halo 2 for Xbox AND the Xbox to run it, four months from now! Case in point: I just paid $169, 2 months back, at Frye's, for a bundle that included a special Halo edition (translucent green) Xbox AND Halo AND two other Xbox games. 2 days ago, when I paid $150 for (what I hope is) a mid-range video card that will sort of play Halo O.K. on the PC, I saw an Xbox advertised for $129 (in Walmart, I think). For anyone (other than a die-hard Halo PC fanboy) who can afford a mid-range video card, the appropriate November 2004 vote (and I ain't talking Presidents) should be obvious. [/quote] Well i am not sure if i understood that but halo 2 is not coming to pc. BTW you should never upgrade for games to come .... only for games that are out.... [quote][color=black][b]The one and [/color][color=olive]only[/color][color=black] Captain Obvious Guru of PC hardware help[/b][/color] [quote][*][url=http://halo.bungie.org/][b][color=000066]Halo CNN 24/24 7/7[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=29475][b][color=000066]Little guide to the knowledge of the PC[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=76031][b][color=000066]Ultimate Halo 2 guide[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://seventhcolumn.bungie.net/perlbin/blam.pl?file=/fanclub/10957][b][color=000066]The Forum Militia[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/you.html][b][color=000066]Click here only if you realy are an [u]idiot[/u][/color][/b][/url] [/quote] [quote][b][color=olive]AOD-Coylter[/color] [url=http://www.aodarkness.2ya.com/][color=black]Army Of Darkness[/color][/url][/b][/quote][/quote]

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  • There is discernable difference between internet lag and computer lag. In internet lag, theres somthing i like to call moonwalking. moonwalking is basically your running, driving, whatever and everthing is fine when suddenyly, you get stuck. But this stuck isnt the stuck wehere your not moving, its the one where you start teleporting back right to the spot you were over and over and over. Its like a CD skipping and its really annoying because when you get out of it your usually like running into a corner on the other end of the map. That would be Internet lag. computer lag is basically you suddenly freeze up and everything starts stuttering. In CD terms, its like you keep pausing and playing the song so it sounds really choppy. This chopiness is your FPS (Frame Refresh Rate per Second) really low (like 5-20fps) A decent FPS for me is 30. So if you wanna find out when your playing and you start to slow down whats the cause, the internet or the computer, you need to be able to test your FPS and see what it is when you slow down. In order to do that, you need to download FRAPS. go to http://www.fraps.com/ and download thier FPS program to clock your FPS. If your playing and your FPS drops to 5 or whatever and things are really choppy, then your computer is lagging. If your FPS is fine (20fps or higher) then the internet is lagging you. In order to aviod lag, listen to coytler. Have a P4, preferably a Northwood or Extreme Edition if you have the money (not worth it though). and a Decent Graphics Card, get one coytler recomends. As for internet, have DSL or Cable and thats all you can do. Hope this clears thing up 4 u.

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  • Thanks for the input, pablofrogo; I'm feeling slightly less ignorant. Yes, I know it is not lag (although I did not know what it was called). The point I was trying to make was that the "lag" that some players attribute to a bad connection, crowded server, etc., is really not lag at all: it is their video card. If I get "lag" I want to know it REALLY is lag, not slowdown. I think you are fighting a losing battle on trying to get people to use 'slowdown' where appropriate, instead of 'lag' : It only takes three keystrokes to type 'lag'.

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  • I don't know about a better card for that price, but the rest of your PC seems pretty good, Halo should run on 1024x768 without SLOWDOWN (lag is caused by slow internet connection, I wish people would get that right) in multiplayer. if you have a 512kb connection you will be fine if you choose good servers.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] coylter Yea nvidia sucked bad in last round with their FX series....Bad IQ , low performance, load of cheating. Its ironic that the situation as switched between the two competitor. [/quote] Oh, -blam- !! I have been searching this forum for over a week and posting all sorts of clueless questions about video cards. And, for the past four days, have been trying to find out who the -blam- "Coylter" is and where this mysterious "video card guide" was hiding. GOOD NEWS: I finally found this thread, today. BAD NEWS: I feel really stupid, not searching the stickies, just cause they did not have the word "video" in the title. REALLY BAD NEWS: I bought my new graphics card two days ago. MORE BAD NEWS: I've read the entire 10 pages of this thread without finding a direct answer to my question about the nVidia FX5700LE-TD256. GOOD NEWS: I think I have a pretty good idea, now of the relative rankings of most graphics cards... BAD NEWS: ...except the one I own. Give it to me straight, Coylter: Did I screw up by buying an FX5700LE with 256MB for $150? (I can still return this guy for a $25 restocking fee if I act in the next few days. Is there anything BETTER for about $100?) The sales guy told me that FX5700LE performance was somewhere between Radeon 9600 and 9600XT. Did he tell me the truth? I have an Xbox that I use for campaign. For online, I want to use my 2-3 year old HP from Costco with a 1.8GHz P4 and 512MB RAM. I want to run lagless Halo online, at the next video resolution ABOVE 800x600, and understand that video (under)performance is often the source of "lag." Can I do this with my set-up? Using "-use11" switch? And, if not, what hardware tweaks or cheap upgrades would you suggest to get me to my goal? Thank you! Oh. And I just can't pass up the opportunity to chip in on the "Halo 2 coming to PC" conversation: For less $$$$ than most of you would pay to get [b]just the video card[/b] (no cpu upgrades, memory upgrades, etc., etc.) to play Halo 2, four [b]years[/b] from now, you can buy Halo 2 for Xbox AND the Xbox to run it, four [b]months[/b] from now! Case in point: I just paid $169, 2 months back, at Frye's, for a bundle that included a special Halo edition (translucent green) Xbox AND Halo AND two other Xbox games. 2 days ago, when I paid $150 for (what I hope is) a mid-range video card that will sort of play Halo O.K. on the PC, I saw an Xbox advertised for $129 (in Walmart, I think). For anyone (other than a die-hard Halo PC fanboy) who can afford a mid-range video card, the appropriate November 2004 vote (and I ain't talking Presidents) should be obvious. So, if you want to play Halo 2 with "Xbox-like" video performance; and you have enough money to buy the card that would accomplish that, you don't need a good PC. In fact, you don't need to wait four years, and you don't need a PC at all: Problem solved.

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  • Right click on your desktoop screen, scroll down to properties and click on it. When your there, click on the settings tab on the top right corner. When your there, click advanced in the bottom right corner. When that opens, there are gonna be alot of tabs to click on, find the one that says the Adapter and click on it. That will tell you what card you have and some specs on it

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  • You are making me feel stupid! I don't even know hwo to check what graphics card I have! [Edited on 7/20/2004 6:54:05 PM]

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  • I went from 20fps in the timedemo to 30fps, so I see a point... I gotta live with what I got (for now *shakes fist*). Also, I installed new drivers today, to see if the problem would go away (new omega drivers based on the 4.7 catalysts). EDIT- I just finished takin my 9200 out and running my comp with its IGP. No blurry pics. damn, looks like I'll have to get that 9800pro this week. [Edited on 7/19/2004 9:59:42 PM]

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  • Well i got the same problem, it was a driver problem. I used the catalyst removal utility and reinstalled them from scratch to the newest version. Btw there is no point in overclocking a 9200se.... [quote][color=black][b]The one and [/color][color=olive]only[/color][color=black] Captain Obvious Guru of PC hardware help[/b][/color] [quote][*][url=http://halo.bungie.org/][b][color=000066]Halo CNN 24/24 7/7[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=29475][b][color= 000066]Little guide to the knowledge of the PC[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=76031][b][color= 000066]Ultimate Halo 2 guide[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://seventhcolumn.bungie.net/perlbin/blam.pl?file=/fanclub/1 0957][b][color=000066]The Forum Militia[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/you.html][b][color=000066 ]Click here only if you realy are an [u]idiot[/u][/color][/b][/url] [/quote] [quote][b][color=olive]AOD-Coylter[/color] [url=http://www.aodarkness.2ya.com/][color=black]Army Of Darkness[/color][/url][/b][/quote][/quote] [Edited on 7/20/2004 3:03:13 PM]

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  • Ok 1) Alienware=rip off. It is not worth it. 2) 8mb transfer rate?? Umm, if im not mistaken, can a LAN even achieve that? Transfer rates (like dling stuff and uploading stuff) depends on your ISP, not your ethernat card. Ok, on a totally different topic, Coylter, I have the muther of all questions for you. This morning, I was fiddlin round with timedemo and tweaking my oc on my 9200se (225core/215mem). For some strange reason, I started doing my online courses for the summer, and my screen went blurry (as in hurt your eyes blurry). I checked my cards temp, turned the refresh rate down a bit, and then posted on another forum this prob. One dude says to try a PCI gpu and see if it goes away. If not, its a monitor problem (mines a futureshop no-namer that refurbished). I was really looking forward to my 9800pro, but if I need a monitor... Im pretty sure my 9200se is ok, but I need help, BIG TIME!

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  • There is probably already a post about this but im too ignorant 2 look through all 10 pages. neway, is it a good or bad idea to go on [url]http://www.alienware.com [/url] and customize/build ur own gaming pc? another thing, does anyone with a good knowledge of pc's think that there is a catch to this: [url]http://www.dabs.com/uk/productview?quicklinx=14XK [/url] or will this give me sweet, hassle-free, 8mb transfer rate? [Edited on 7/19/2004 9:22:07 AM]

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  • 1) GT would force the pro's price down, and its performance would be better (well hopefully, but since it would be a slower clocked X800XT, you would come to the conclusion that it would most likely beat the 6800GT). 2) Ummm, Coylter honestly, all tests show that ATI still does not take the hit that the NVIDIA cards do when using AA and AF. A X800pro beats any 6800GT when using the these settings. 3) SM3.0 and DirectX9c are still a laugh (IMO). Most games created within the year may or may not support SM3.0, and I doubt any huge gains/better quality from 9c in the first place. My point is, ATI is only doing what NVIDIA has already done (NVIDIA was worse but whatever). You seem to be displaying ATI in a bad light for this, even though in the scheme of things its trivial. As well, like I stated, I cannot see 9c and SM3.0 coming into "major" play within the year. Add to the fact that within the 4th quarter ATI might launch a newer more refined version of the 420 cores (which may or may not have SM3.0 and 9c support), your looking at a dead heat. Remember, Im just throwing my opinion in here for good measure. I always like a good discussion. Oh yea, one more thing. Any reviews you see at 1600*1200 with AF and AA max on Far Cry (the only game that supports SM3.0 at this exact moment... I think? Plz correct me, but Doom 3 supports it once it is out right?) shows that the X800's have a distinct advantage of about 5-10% over the Nvidia cards (compared respectivley pro vs GT, XT vs Ultra). [Edited on 7/17/2004 3:33:17 PM]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] let me live Woa, havent been on in a little while. Anyways, Coylter, is it just me or is somebody on this thread a NVIDIA fanboy? *cough* As for DirectX 9c, we'll wait and see. As for optimizations, ATI at least admited they had them. You had to figure out NVIDIA had any a little while back (ala 3DMark03 and such). Point is, you cant go wrong with many cards today. However, if you like your eye candy (mmmmmm candy) it has been proven in many a test (go to www.tweaktown.com or something) that ATI is superior in AF and AA. OF course, Im not worried, as Im gettin a 9800pro real quick. If I was buying a new gen card, I would wait for the X800GT (if you dont know what Im talkin bout, click [url=http://rage3d.com] here [/url]) I pray to God that this sucka comes out. It would be SO INCREDIBLY AWESOME. Oh yea, and Coylter is right about the 9700pro vs 9600xt. If your still lookin for one, you can pick up an OEM 9700pro All In Wonder (BIG SCREEN BABY!) for 299.99 cdn at FutureShop. Phew, lots o typing. I like discussions (or creating them :P)[/quote] I am no nvidia or ati fanboy (i have a r9800pro) , i am performance and quality fanboy. ATI [b]used[/b] to be better with AA/AF and this is now the opposite since ATI is forcing optimization on their newest cards. The x800gt (the "gt" tag is still speculation) will be more expensive than the x800pro (399$) and IMO it will be as fast as the 6800GT (399$) . It will not support dx9c and SM3.0. Yea nvidia sucked bad in last round with their FX series....Bad IQ , low performance, load of cheating. Its ironic that the situation as switched between the two competitor. [quote]As for DirectX 9c, we'll wait and see[/quote] What do you mean, x800's dont and wont support dx9c , they just dont have the feature in the core you cant create them with software. The only thing ati can do to have image improvement much like with SM 3.0 is to emulate the effects in SM 2.0 thus losing lot of performance... [quote][color=black][b]The one and [/color][color=olive]only[/color][color=black] Captain Obvious Guru of PC hardware help[/b][/color] [quote][*][url=http://halo.bungie.org/][b][color=000066]Halo CNN 24/24 7/7[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=29475][b][color=000066]Little guide to the knowledge of the PC[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=76031][b][color=000066]Ultimate Halo 2 guide[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://seventhcolumn.bungie.net/perlbin/blam.pl?file=/fanclub/10957][b][color=000066]The Forum Militia[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/you.html][b][color=000066]Click here only if you realy are an [u]idiot[/u][/color][/b][/url] [/quote] [quote][b][color=olive]AOD-Coylter[/color] [url=http://www.aodarkness.2ya.com/][color=black]Army Of Darkness[/color][/url][/b][/quote][/quote] [Edited on 7/16/2004 4:40:50 PM]

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  • Woa, havent been on in a little while. Anyways, Coylter, is it just me or is somebody on this thread a NVIDIA fanboy? *cough* As for DirectX 9c, we'll wait and see. As for optimizations, ATI at least admited they had them. You had to figure out NVIDIA had any a little while back (ala 3DMark03 and such). Point is, you cant go wrong with many cards today. However, if you like your eye candy (mmmmmm candy) it has been proven in many a test (go to www.tweaktown.com or something) that ATI is superior in AF and AA. OF course, Im not worried, as Im gettin a 9800pro real quick. If I was buying a new gen card, I would wait for the X800GT (if you dont know what Im talkin bout, click [url=http://rage3d.com] here [/url]) I pray to God that this sucka comes out. It would be SO INCREDIBLY AWESOME. Oh yea, and Coylter is right about the 9700pro vs 9600xt. If your still lookin for one, you can pick up an OEM 9700pro All In Wonder (BIG SCREEN BABY!) for 299.99 cdn at FutureShop. Phew, lots o typing. I like discussions (or creating them :P)

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  • nice, just orderded the 9700pro yesterday; im stoked

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  • 9700pro is better than 5900 non-ultra. [quote][color=black][b]The one and [/color][color=olive]only[/color][color=black] Captain Obvious Guru of PC hardware help[/b][/color] [quote][*][url=http://halo.bungie.org/][b][color=000066]Halo CNN 24/24 7/7[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=29475][b][color=000066]Little guide to the knowledge of the PC[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=76031][b][color=000066]Ultimate Halo 2 guide[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://seventhcolumn.bungie.net/perlbin/blam.pl?file=/fanclub/10957][b][color=000066]The Forum Militia[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/you.html][b][color=000066]Click here only if you realy are an [u]idiot[/u][/color][/b][/url] [/quote] [quote][b][color=olive]AOD-Coylter[/color] [url=http://www.aodarkness.2ya.com/][color=black]Army Of Darkness[/color][/url][/b][/quote][/quote] [Edited on 7/16/2004 4:40:57 PM]

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  • And for another graphics card comparison coytler, would you get the Radeon 9700pro or the Geforce FX 5900? (both at 128mb)?

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  • The only good thing about my Radeon 9200se is that it makes acvtive camoflage a joke. Somone in camo in any map is an all white person and sticks out like a firecracker. hehe

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  • Ti-4200s play multi well at 1024x768 on most maps, some require you to turn off specular and shadows and decals, but the game still looks great, I don't know about single, I don't really play it that much on that PC. If you have a decent CPU, 2600+ is probably, I have a 2500+ and it's the worst thing ever, I need a decent motherboard so I can OC it. The only thing wrong with older cards is that they don't do the invisibility shader, so they are properly invisible and VERY hard to see.

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AddySP4 Eh? I've got a Geforce 4 Ti 4200 and that has Directx support. Are you sure you're right? I play Halo rather well... with Athlon XP 2600+[/quote] A ti-4200 has no direct x 9 support, Sure you can install the software but you will not be able any new feature. This card play halo well in 800*600 and even then it lag a lot at some places. 800*600 is reduced quality. [quote][color=black][b]The one and [/color][color=olive]only[/color][color=black] Captain Obvious Guru of PC hardware help[/b][/color] [quote][*][url=http://halo.bungie.org/][b][color=000066]Halo CNN 24/24 7/7[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=29475][b][color=000066]Little guide to the knowledge of the PC[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=76031][b][color=000066]Ultimate Halo 2 guide[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://seventhcolumn.bungie.net/perlbin/blam.pl?file=/fanclub/10957][b][color=000066]The Forum Militia[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/you.html][b][color=000066]Click here only if you realy are an [u]idiot[/u][/color][/b][/url] [/quote] [quote][b][color=olive]AOD-Coylter[/color] [url=http://www.aodarkness.2ya.com/][color=black]Army Of Darkness[/color][/url][/b][/quote][/quote] [Edited on 7/13/2004 2:48:12 PM]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] pablofrogo What he is saying is don't but either a 6800 OR X800, buy a cheaper card, like a 9800pro with 128mb. You may be lucky like me and get an R360 core (oh, btw coylter, I got a 9800pro R360 256mb hynix memory, it's an XT!) 9800pros are cheap, and excellent. I'd wait, like coylter says, for 2nd gen 6*00 or X*00 cards if your wanting a powerful card.[/quote] Yea all the newest 9800's are using the xt core. [quote][color=black][b]The one and [/color][color=olive]only[/color][color=black] Captain Obvious Guru of PC hardware help[/b][/color] [quote][*][url=http://halo.bungie.org/][b][color=000066]Halo CNN 24/24 7/7[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=29475][b][color=000066]Little guide to the knowledge of the PC[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=76031][b][color=000066]Ultimate Halo 2 guide[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://seventhcolumn.bungie.net/perlbin/blam.pl?file=/fanclub/10957][b][color=000066]The Forum Militia[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/you.html][b][color=000066]Click here only if you realy are an [u]idiot[/u][/color][/b][/url] [/quote] [quote][b][color=olive]AOD-Coylter[/color] [url=http://www.aodarkness.2ya.com/][color=black]Army Of Darkness[/color][/url][/b][/quote][/quote] [Edited on 7/13/2004 2:44:01 PM]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Arch Vile -Name: Geforce FX-6800GT -Memory: 256mb -Speed: 13.9/10 -Comment: The best card to get at the moment, Kill everything for the price!!! WRONG!!!!!! Radeon 9800 XT Pro[/quote] errrr yea sure....what ever.... [quote][color=black][b]The one and [/color][color=olive]only[/color][color=black] Captain Obvious Guru of PC hardware help[/b][/color] [quote][*][url=http://halo.bungie.org/][b][color=000066]Halo CNN 24/24 7/7[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=29475][b][color=000066]Little guide to the knowledge of the PC[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=76031][b][color=000066]Ultimate Halo 2 guide[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://seventhcolumn.bungie.net/perlbin/blam.pl?file=/fanclub/10957][b][color=000066]The Forum Militia[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/you.html][b][color=000066]Click here only if you realy are an [u]idiot[/u][/color][/b][/url] [/quote] [quote][b][color=olive]AOD-Coylter[/color] [url=http://www.aodarkness.2ya.com/][color=black]Army Of Darkness[/color][/url][/b][/quote][/quote]

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  • Eh? I've got a Geforce 4 Ti 4200 and that has Directx support. Are you sure you're right? I play Halo rather well... with Athlon XP 2600+

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  • -Name: Geforce FX-6800GT -Memory: 256mb -Speed: 13.9/10 -Comment: The best card to get at the moment, Kill everything for the price!!! WRONG!!!!!! Radeon 9800 XT Pro

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  • What he is saying is don't but either a 6800 OR X800, buy a cheaper card, like a 9800pro with 128mb. You may be lucky like me and get an R360 core (oh, btw coylter, I got a 9800pro R360 256mb hynix memory, it's an XT!) 9800pros are cheap, and excellent. I'd wait, like coylter says, for 2nd gen 6*00 or X*00 cards if your wanting a powerful card.

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