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Edited by CrazyLincoln: 12/1/2015 1:47:11 AM
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If there is an all powerful all loving Christian God....

Then why does he create children who are born without legs, without eyes, with their legs molded together. Why does he let children starve every day of their lives. Why does he let millions die every year and why oh why did God let the holocaust happen to his people the Jewish people? Either the Christian God is a psychopath who likes to get off on human suffering or the Christian God is not all powerful or that he is nothing more than a made up and an imaginary friend. Can't wait for all the excuses for the holocaust.

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  • Everything can't be perfect, and I see you don't care about all the adults that die

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  • Because he has a plan for everyone there's a reason!!

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  • Are you a fan of Stephen Fry by any chance?

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  • He gave humans free will and people decided to do some bad things

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  • [quote]Why does he let millions die every year and why oh why did God let the holocaust happen to his people the Jewish people? [/quote] [quote]the Christian God [/quote] There's a discrepancy here.

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    • Holy shit you don't even try do you anymore.

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    • Why not ask him when you die? No one knows why he does what he does and thats a fact everyone has to live with. Also the one who created you doesnt owe you anything he gives everyone a free will and unique circumstances, but we are the ones who decide what to do with it.

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    • In short: Sin.

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    • Because why not

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    • SHIT! All this edge cut eyes.

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    • I agree. Why would he allow you to be born?

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    • As someone who studies philosophy, and deals with religious topics such as this one, I can promise that most, if not all, of you are far from even beginning to scratch the surface of the question of God, and by this I mean; You are speaking about God from a very traditional theological interpretation, which has been long outdated in all honesty. In fact, I find it somewhat difficult in being able to fully express just how far off some of you are, which I in no way intend to be hurtful, but one would have to read through a good portion of the Western philosophical cannon up through Emmanuel Kant, in addition to a large selection of readings from the phenomenological discipline to even come close to a basic understanding of what it is that you take yourselves to be discussing, believe me I am a philosophy major who has been rigorously engaging with philosophical texts for quite some time.

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      • Why don't you ask him..?

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      • Ah... The problem of evil again. That's all everybody talks about. The problem of evil has been debated by philosophers and theologians for a long time. Google is your friend.

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      • In giving us free will there must be a choice. If He created a perfect world there would be no choice. But seeing we have free will that's not true. If all the choices we had were not evil, or good, then there would be no point to free will. So thus in order to allow us to choose the good there has to be bad. So evil is a byproduct of having free will. Because God wants us to love him but if he forced that upon us (no free will) it wouldn't really be love. He wants us to choose to love him (free will) so that the love is real

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      • I'm a Christian.. My brother recently took his own life but I don't blame God.. Actually it has made my faith stronger.

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        • http://biblehub.com/romans/9-20.htm Here you go.

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          • lel cause he is imaginary thusly can be anything you want- good when it benefits your argument but smiting when needed lolol -The belief in a mythological sky deity(s) or celestial creator(s) is allegorical. Its claims or lack there of comprises of unverifiable hearsay "evidence" & it's ability to proliferate irrefutable and or paradoxical archaic scripture is solely based on unwavering blind faith. 1. Evolution reproduced in the lab or documented in nature: a. Two strains of fruit flies lost the ability to interbreed and produce fertile offspring in the lab over a 4-year span ... i.e. they became two new species. (Easily repeated experiment.) b. A new plant species (a type of firewood), created by a doubling of the chromosome count from the original stock (Mosquin, 1967). c. Multiple species of the house mouse unique to the Faeroe Islands occurred within 250 years of introduction of a foundation species on the island. d. Formation of 5 new species of cichlid fishes that have formed in a single lake within 4,000 years of introduction of a parent species. 2. Fossil evidence - (So much to list). The way fossils appear in the layers of rock always corresponds to relative development ... more primitive creatures in lower (older) layers. Absolute dating of fossils using radiometry. Constant discovery of new transitional forms. E.g. reptile-birds, reptile-mammals, legged whales, legged sea cows. 3. Genetic evidence - E.g. the fact that humans have a huge number of genes (as much as 96%) in common with other great apes ... and (as much as 50%) with wheat plants. The pattern of genetic evidence follows the tell-tale patterns of ancestral relationships (more genes in common between recently related species, and fading the further back in time). 4. Molecular evidence - These are commonalities in DNA ... which is separate from genetic commonalities ... much of our DNA does not code for genes at all. But random mutations (basically 'typos') enter into DNA at a known rate over the centuries. This is called the 'molecular clock' and again gives excellent evidence of when humans diverged from other apes (about 6 million years ago, according to this molecular clock), and this corresponds perfectly with when these fossils first appear in the fossil record (using radiometric dating). the chemical and anatomical similarities of related life forms including homologies the geographic distribution of related species the recorded genetic changes in living organisms over many generations observed events of speciation lab experiements showing the emergence of reproductive isolation endosymbionts evolution of diseases vestigial structures ring species genetics (e.g. role of gene duplications) directed mutagenesis evolution of molecules observed in test tubes (see recent study about RNA self-replication in Science Magazine) examples of point mutations (an easy one is sickle cell anemia). Population genetics Biogeography. Comparative anatomy Genetics Animal husbandry Anthropology ect. 5. Evidence from proteins - Proteins - E.g., things like blood proteins (the things that give us our A, B, O blood typing and the Rh factor (the plus/minus thing) which incidentally stands for 'rhesus monkey'); the exact structure of the insulin molecule; and my favorite, the proteins responsible for color vision. The specific proteins found in human color vision are exactly the same as those found in Old World primates (the great apes and the monkeys found in Africa and Asia). These proteins are absent in New World primates (the Central and South American monkeys), and from all other mammals. In fact among the New World primates, only the howler monkey has color vision ... but these use slightly *different* proteins, coded on different locations and chromosomes, than humans and the OW primates. This is yet more evidence of a closer link between humans and the OW primates. 6. Vestigial and atavistic organs - E.g. Leg and pelvic bones in whales, dolphins, and some snakes; unused eyes in blind cave fish, unused wings in flightless birds and insects; flowers in non-fertilizing plants (like dandelions); in humans, wisdom teeth, tailbones, appendix, the plantaris muscle in the calf (useless in humans, used for grasping with the feet in primates). 7. Embryology - E.g. Legs on dolphin embryos; tails and gill folds on human embryos; snake embryos with legs; marsupial eggshell and carnuncle. 8. Biogeography - The current and past distribution of species on the planet. E.g. almost all marsupials and almost no placental mammals are native to Australia ... the result of speciation in a geographically isolated area. 9. Homology - E.g. the same bones in the same relative positions in primate hands, bat wings, bird wings, mammals, whale and penguin flippers, pterosaur wings, horse legs, the forelimbs of moles, and webbed amphibian legs. 10. Bacteriology, virology, immunology, pest-control - I.e. the way that bacteria evolve in response to antibiotics (we can compare strains of tuberculosis today, with samples of older epidemics and can see the specific structures), or viruses (like HIV) respond to antivirals, or insects evolving in response to pesticides. In conclusion: If an intelligent creator created all of the complexity that we see today because complexity requires intelligence to create it, then that it immediately creates an impossibility. [i]If complexity cannot arise without intelligence[/i], then we immediately must ask, [i]"Who created the intelligent creator?" The creator could not spring into existence if complexity requires intelligence. Therefore, God is impossible.[/i] In other words, [b]by applying logic, we can prove that God is imaginary.[/b]

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            • I don't know too many people that would claim to know why a god does what it does. Well, those of us that are not completely indoctrinated. Regardless of whatever religion it's associated with. For me, I listen to my heart for what's right and wrong. I call that God. You could say at that point I'm a microcosm of a greater living will. An example would be. If I saw a young child hurt after a car wreck. I would feel sad. I would want to help. I would feel the child pain. In those moments something is turned on. Something good is happening to me. I can feel my desire to help. So, where does this come from. Why didn't I just walk away from the wreck unaffected with no feelings. I say, God. Why? Because like in the example there a lot things that go on in life were you make a judgment call or act on instict. One doesn't have to debate it. They just act.

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            • Um well, you see that's because, now let me just say, ok hold on [spoiler]trumpwinsagain.jpeg[/spoiler]

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            • Adversity. As humans, we brought it upon ourselves.

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            • I believe in God & Jesus, but I'm not a big fan of religion. That's just a tool to control the masses. A lot of things I don't really agree with. However, I cannot answer this. This is one of the few strong arguments that refute the existence of God, but free will is what we were taught. God can't do anything, no matter how horrendous the act is. It sucks obviously.

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            • Hey, Christian here, look, God stopped messing with us a long time ago. If he did anything it would contradict "free will". Even something as simple as divert a river, it would start a ripple effect that eventually leads to influencing people's decision with something as simple as where to build a home, therefor messing with their "free will".

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              • God works in Mysterious ways

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                • I know, right. Why does God allow the majority of everyone you come across in life have life, two legs and two feet, an occupation, an idea, opportunity, or a family? Why does God allow people to have fun with their friends, to have fun with their life, and to have the ability to promulgate their works? Why does God allow people to have a roof over their head, a bed on which they can sleep, food on their table, or even a table at all?

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