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Edited by Mute 000:
11/25/2015 11:59:20 AM
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The shotgun nerf is going to ruin all of them in the name of 2 or 3.
Everyone can name the "problem" shotguns (if you think they're still a problem.. I don't care personally). Conspiracy Theory / Party Crasher-types.
The high RoF low impact ones, that typically take 2-3 shots to kill someone are perfectly fine how they are. The upcoming nerf is going to make those guns completely useless. examples; Chaperone is completely tolerable and fair... so is the New Monarchy and Dead Orbit shotties...and many many others.
Again, across the board nerfs to a weapon type that is going to demolish the entire class. Bungie never learns.
With handguns and shotties nerfed basically into the ground outside of 1 or 2 guns (hawkmoon), the current meta is quickly being overrun with no map movement and camping snipers/scouts everywhere. It's just going to get worse and worse. Now the good mid range class is also getting nerfed (pulses) and autorifle spam is about to get annoying again. Good mid range and CQB gameplay is being written off entirely, one nerf at a time.
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3 RepliesFirst, I am not a shotgun user, I've tried them, but they just aren't for me. I also get irritated when I get killed by them, but that is because i put myself in a bad position. I prefer mid to long range for my play style. So whenever I get shotgunned, it isn't because the shotgun is overpowered, it is because I tried to take one on at close range with my pulse/scout/sniper, or even missed a few shots with my hand cannon and let them get in next to me before killing them. In my opinion, if you are running a mid or long range primary, and an mid or long range special, you should know going in that you just aren't set up to deal with close range weapons. Point is, know what weapons you are running and play to their strengths.
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1 ReplyYou know what your right! The sniper thing is all anybody does now. Boring. Bring back the shotgun power and range. That was at least a toe to toe fight. That was fun. PvP is lame with snipers owning the thing. BORING.
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I love this games pvp I've been here since year 1. Beta to be exact. Shotguns were never "OP" until the felwinters lie metador and the party crasher came about. They nerfed the shotguns again and again and they were still a little "OP" so they even took out shot package for you winers which didn't effect me at All. They are balanced right now. The nerf coming today will be outrageous. Slower while having the shotgun equip?! Not being able to shoot out of sprint?! Slower ads and reload?! What are we 5 having a nerf gun fight? Shotguns are the counters to those snipers who hide in the back protecting their kd... If you don't agree. I'd love to have a conversation about it.
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1 ReplyI miss the hand cannon glory days
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1 ReplyI wish they would have just nerfed them in pvp not pve :(
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Instead of crapping on every shotgun on earth, how about removing the archetype that's causing 90% of the PVP uproars?
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The next big thing is the next big thing
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Edited by Imposssiblestar: 12/6/2015 5:57:17 PMI use fourth horseman all the time I agree it's over power'd I can kill a Titan or warlock while their supers are active when I time it right , but wanna buy more speed for shadow step .....and can they please give use a dreg promise yr2 lol ... The year one kills just fine but eh I have to dump a full clip to kill high gear ppl lol.
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3 RepliesIt's about time. They have had their days. From vanilla - blink strike shotgun. To house of wolves - blink strike, fel winter snipe. Now you kids will actually have to use a primary weapon for a while or get with the fusion rifle program.
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Bump, well said.
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Glad I use fusions
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1 ReplyGlad I use side arms
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[quote]autorifle spam is about to get annoying again. Good mid range and CQB gameplay is being written off entirely[/quote] Those 2 points sound like they contradict each other
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The nerfs,buffs are going to ruin the GAME in the name of a bunch of cry babies!!!!!!!!!!!
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5 RepliesIf shotguns took skill it would be one thing. Fusion rifles should be the hot secondary along with the sniper. Nobody uses fusion rifles, why? Because of op shottys.
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5 RepliesThe problem with shotguns is being able to just rush up to someone using a primary and just shot gunning then so you will be slower with a shotty that's really the main nerf also pulse rifles have next to no damage drop off and TTK was too quick
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6 RepliesBungie is going completely overboard on the shotgun nerf. They were fine as is, with the notable exception of the couple that had far too much range on them. So now shotguns get to join the ever growing list of guns Bungie has made unviable in PvE. Look forward to the balance where they "magically" discover no one uses them anymore and they buff them back. And the vicious cycle goes on and on and on because Bungie is convinced they can balance PvE and PvP based on PvP player feedback.
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1 ReplyThe only people crying about shotguns are the snipers... It's so funny getting hate mail running up on a sniper in the back of the map and smacking em with a shotty.
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Yes the secret handshake is a problem...with full auto it has the fastest TTK in the game.
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I dont know about you but all my shotgun kills are fair. Everyone who steps up to me two feet away is getting blasted. If someone kills me with a shotty i dont even get mad. Its my fault for getting up close. People wont be happy until shotguns are garbage. Well there gonna get there wish.
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16 RepliesEdited by ironBill: 11/25/2015 12:05:02 PMYou are completely missing the point... this is how Bungie gives you a "new game" without giving you a new game. Let a new meta (Lord, I HATE that overused phrase) rise, wear people out with it, nerf whatever the top weapons are, and a new meta is formed (and in the process, a new gaming experience). Just rotate the top weapon every month or so, and your experience stays fresh. Of course the power of your weapons circles downward, but that's no problem because: 1) The game is more about PvP than PvE, and PvP perceived "balance" overrides all other concerns, and; 2) Anything that extends the PvE grind is good (for Bungie). I hate to be so cynical, but it's hard not to describe Bungie as an outright "adversarial to the customer" development team.
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I'll only use a shotgun if I'm a Defender Titan, with the new patch. I'll have to change my game and possibly switch to a fusion rifle/side arm. I would use a sniper but I'm inconsistent with it. I'd be lucky to get 5/6 kills with it.
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Instead of ruining all shotguns why not just make the adjustments to the few that have ridiculous range? After the nerf, the only usable shotguns will be the ones considered op. The rest will be too weak and good for dismantling for parts, glimmer and marks only.
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Sounds like the whole Year One gear is useless. Just a couple of guns caused everything to be useless.
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6 RepliesIt's only the high impact ones. But honestly the game wouldn't be so bad if Bungie could pull out some Battlefield type weapon balance. It's also a problem that the community constantly flocks to the new top tier weapons every time a chance to crucible comes. I understand that this happens in games, but Destiny has it much worse in this case.
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2 RepliesThe only things I'm dreading are the reload taking eons, the eventual butchering of snipers that will follow after people complaining about snipers like they did about Thorn, basically requiring using Bladedancer's Quickdraw with a max range Conspiracy Theory type shotgun with rangefinder in order to do marshmallow level damage, aggressive ballistics to do dart gun level damage, handling and movement butchered, and the slew of complaints about sidearms because that'll be the only viable close range special at that point. Needless to say, I'm going to get summoned a lot.
