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The Compilation of the Holy Bible

[b]The Compilation of the Holy Bible[/b] I have compiled this information for educational purposes and hope not to offend, but to encourage intelligent discussion. This was no easy task, considering the vast amount of controversy surrounding biblical and historical texts. Not to mention the amount speculation made by theologians and historians alike. Most content is derived from wiki sources (Wikis use multiple sources, giving multiple perspectives.). The information has been edited and added to as to make the information more coherent once presented. Be aware that I am not intent on converting anyone, nor am I intent on creating hateful arguments. I sincerely hope that this thread garners sound historical discussion and debate. Any vitriolic, offensive, or ignorant comment will be ignored or called out as baiting for an argument. [quote]The Tanakh (also known as the Pentateuch or Torah) is a compilation of Jewish scripture that was (and is) originally written in Hebrew. This compilation of Jewish Scripture is considered the Old Testament to Christians. The Masoretic Text is the authoritative Hebrew text of the Hebrew Bible, or Tanakh. It defines the books of the Jewish canon, and also the precise letter-text of these biblical books, with their vocalization and accentuation. The oldest extant manuscripts of the Masoretic Text date from approximately the 9th century AD, and the Aleppo Codex (once the oldest complete copy of the Masoretic Text, but now missing its Torah section) dates from the 10th century. By the 2nd century BC Jewish groups had called the Bible books the "scriptures" and referred to them as "holy," or in Hebrew כִּתְבֵי הַקֹּדֶשׁ (Kitvei hakkodesh) The Christian New Testament contains twenty-seven books originally written in Koine Greek, which discuss the teachings and person of Jesus, as well as events in first-century Christianity. The New Testament is divided into the four Canonical gospels, the Acts of the Apostles, twenty-one Epistles or didactic letters, and the Book of Revelation. Christians now commonly call the Old and New Testaments of the Christian Bible "The Holy Bible", in Greek (τὰ βιβλία τὰ ἅγια, tà biblía tà ágia) or "the Holy Scriptures" (η Αγία Γραφή, e Agía Graphḗ). The bible was compiled over the course of time. The biblical texts themselves are the result of a creative dialogue between ancient traditions and different communities through the ages. These biblical texts were produced over a period in which the living conditions of the writers – political, cultural, economic, and ecological – varied enormously. Despite being refined and compiled over a considerably large span of time, it is commonly accepted that Saint Athanasius also called Athanasius of Alexandria, introduced the first canonical scripture. Athanasius of Alexandria (A.D. 296-373) was the most prominent theologian of the fourth century, serving as bishop of Alexandria. His list of canonical books was published as part of his Thirty-Ninth Festal Epistle of AD 367. A clear acknowledgment of the New Testament canon of 27 books appears in the 39th Festal Letter of Athanasius. After the list he declares, “these are the wells of salvation, so that he who thirsts may be satisfied with the sayings in these. Let no one add to these. Let nothing be taken away.” It is said that these canonical books were accepted by emperor Constantine I during the Council of Nicaea as he felt the compilation of sacred writings would give authority to the newly unified Christian church. The oldest extant copy of a complete Bible is an early 4th-century parchment book preserved in the Vatican Library, and known as the Codex Vaticanus. The oldest copy of the Tanakh in Hebrew and Aramaic dates to the 10th century AD. The oldest copy of a complete Latin (Vulgate) Bible is the Codex Amiatinus, dating from the 8th century. With regard to how the bible is structured, the Bible was divided into chapters in the 13th century by Stephen Langton and into verses in the 16th century by French printer Robert Estienne and is now usually cited by book, chapter, and verse.[/quote]

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  • tl;dr: God isn't real and those who believe in magic are mentally deranged, insane, and inept in the fields of math, science, and logic.

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    • You forget the part about Protestants removing books from the Old Testament that were "inconvenient" to Protestant theology.

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      • Tl;dr

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        • This is common knowledge in the Orthodox Church. Although a few things are incorrect. One, there is no mention of the Septuagint. And that is kind of important given that prior to the Reformation, it was the Septuagint and not the Masoretic Text that Christendom derived its Old Testament from. Martin Luther only suggested the adoption of the Masoretic because he wanted to match the Jews, and conveniently wanted to drop the "apocryphal" books that disagreed with Protestant theology, despite the fact that they had always been a part of the older Septuagint which was not only accepted unanimously by Christendom before the Reformation, but was either what Jesus Christ himself and the apostles quoted when quoting the OT, or at least closer to what they quoted than the Masoretic Text was. Two, the notion that the Bible as we know it today came out of the first Ecumenical Council of AD 325 is a very shaky and unsubstantiated one. While we start to see a more unified and accepted trend around that time, none of the transcripts or canons of the Council mention the Bible, and notion itself of a "closed" canon is a modern one with no basis in history. I'm not sure if the Vatican or Protestants ever officially "closed" the canon for themselves, but in the Orthodox world the canon is still open for us. In fact, many Orthodox jurisdictions have different canons such as the Ethiopians who include the book of Enoch in theirs. And many of the Saints had/have different ideas for the canon. It isn't really a big deal for us because we don't operate off of Sola Scriptura.

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          • Terrible religious b8 m8. Some one should assassin8 you for this bad religious b8 m8. Please do not cre8 any more bad religious b8 m8. I h8 this b8 so much that I will give it a r8 of .08/8 which is not a gr8 r8 m8. This bad religious b8 deserves to be met with h8 by all the gr8 m8's who like to r8 b8 with h8. I'm sorry, I know you tried to be neutral and have intelligent conversation but the twips on b.net don't know what that is.

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            • Refreshingly neutral. I like it.

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              • I have been reading the apocryphals and it is interesting to say the least. In "The Letter of Aristeas" it explains the process that Ptolemy Philadelphus had taken just to get a copy of the Hebrew laws from Eleazar into the library at Alexandria. He had to let go 100k captives as well as hire 6 elders from each of the 12 tribes of Israel to properly interpret the laws. He had to hire the 72 elders after his own interpreters screwed up by using the wrong Hebrew dialect.

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                • At first I was like: Tiber no plz don do it Then I was like: oh, wait, I can laugh.

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                  • Before posting a comment, please visit my other thread: https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/135753455/0/0 Educate yourself.

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                  • [quote]God isn't real.[/quote] Try and prove me wrong. Don't give me any of the "God has a plan for us" or "God must be real due to miracles and the beauty of the Earth." Give me a real, logical answer that actually proves God is real, besides an outdated book written thousands of years ago.

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                    • Tiber Septim!

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                      • TL;DR

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