[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] cameo_cream I don't accept it as canon because it -blam!-s on so many other games canon. It makes far more sense to just ignore that one game, than to try and find reasons for all the -blam!- that Reach created. Plus I hate the game.... so yeah. Yet, when the Covenant were attacking Reach in the game, none of that existed. People can't say that many ships were off station.[/quote] Hah, wat? It doesn't even affect any of the other games, what ludicrousness is this? What is this, I don't even-? How does it even come close to affecting the other games?!?! O_o The only thing it even comes close to affecting in any sort of significant way is like the final 20-40 pages of TFoR and about the same amount of pages in First Strike, and even then it didn't even really do anything there either. But feel free to think whatever you want, I'm certainly not going to try and stop you :P Quite a few people have said this before, you play the game as Noble Six, your view of the Battle of Reach is limited to what Noble Six, and to some extent Noble Team, experienced. One man/woman can't be everywhere at once and isn't going to learn everything about the war for one planet as a whole. Like Master Chief for instance, in Halo 3 we only saw the fighting that was going on in Eastern Africa...yet other sources have showed us that several other places on Earth were attacked as well as the New Mombasa area. Six didn't and couldn't see all of Reach. So we're not going to see or really learn about the battle going on in space or other parts of the planet, one reason being that it doesn't matter to Six's story. [quote][b]Old Salty27[/b][/quote] Reach does not disregard any of the expanded universe, Salty, can't agree with that assessment at all, not even a little bit. And everything in those expanded stories came from Bungie actually, authors would get some of the relevant data for their book and go from there, things like the SIIIs, and so on. One part of a book that from the title you guess would be the main focus but instead only takes up about 20-40 pages of said book being contradicted or changed (which Reach does not do, by the way) does not equate to essentially say "screw it" to the Halo books written before Reach came out. The rest of TFoR is just fine, the battle, which as I said before isn't even much of the book, is the only part where anyone even has grounds to argue about changes or contradictions. And a great deal of stuff in TFoR was already retconned anyway, such as the date for when Elites and Hunters were first encountered for instance or the numbers of the Spartan IIs that made it into active duty. The whole book was written as a standalone to tie in with one game, neither Bungie, Microsoft, or anyone else was expecting Halo to make it as big as it did. As such TFoR was written with a very narrow perception of the story and didn't leave much room if any for a great big universe to be expanded after it came out. That's one of the biggest problems with TFoR, that it didn't imagine big at all. Especially not with the battle it was supposed to be about.