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Edited by JJM2552: 3/13/2015 10:20:55 PM
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Anybody else think Fusion Rifles were hit a little too hard in Patch 1.1.1?

Fusion Rifles were fine where they were before

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FR's were fine, Special Ammo in PvP is the problem

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Fusion Rifles were OP and needed a nerf

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It doesn't affect me so who cares.

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I was always under the impression that the Special Weapons were balanced like so: Shotgun - Close Range (Terrible at any other range) Fusion Rifle - Mid range (Charge Time) Sniper Rifles - Mid to Long Range (No hip fire cross hairs) The recent nerf they got in Crucible have made them pretty terrible at killing anything past a decent range. Don't get me wrong, I hated the players that would go the whole game using Fusion rifles only as much as the next Guardian, but I feel like the nerf was the wrong way to fix that. In my opinion, they should have decreased the amount of Special Ammo you get from crates and lower their spawn rates so that players would be more inclined to use their primary weapons. As a result of the Fusion nerf, most players just switched to shotguns and snipers and you rarely see Fusion Rifles in Crucible anymore. This is a shame because they're the only non bullet weapons in the game, which makes them interesting. Edit: So the general feel I'm getting while reading these posts is a bunch of people that hated fusion rifles are happy they got nerfed to almost-oblivion. There are certain weapons that I hate getting killed by as well (namely Hawkmoon and Thorn, which in my eyes are pretty OP considering their range even after the patch). Does that mean I think they should be nerfed to oblivion? Heck no. What I'm trying to say is, try not to bring personal bias when debating weapon balance. I think a mix of the old balance and the post-patch range is the ideal way to go. I'm looking for balance, it seems a lot of you just want to see them go away altogether. That isn't balance. Edit 2: I noticed in the 1.1.2 general overview it was mentioned that Crucible Special Ammo will finally be addressed. Thank you Bungie! In that case, can you reconsider the nerf to the Fusion Rifle cones and bring them back to something in the middle of where they are now and where they were before? The inconsistency of their one-hit-kills are making lots of players use shotguns, and Crucible has become even more of a shotgun fest than before, despite their nerfs. It is also a significant problem in PvE as many Fusions have become useless when you could use a sniper rifle or shotgun that does way more DPS. Fusions should have a benefit to using them in PvP, especially now that ammo will be reduced fairly soon!

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  • Edited by Prof Sheitbag: 3/11/2015 4:21:35 PM
    Fusion Rifles are so unreliable at mid-range now they are basically useless. I loved my FR in crucible - it was a lot of fun, and adequately negated all the shotty whores who love to slide-n-shot. And what would dominate the FR? Snipers. So there was a balance to the game. Now, FR's are useless. Why? Because too many butt-hurt shotty whores were all pissy when they would die. [b]STANDARD SHOTTY WHORE[/b]: [i]How could that guy with a mid range gun kill me from mid range! That is not fair, Bungie! I have a shotgun, and I am awesome in every way in PvP! That guy is a skrub and the only reason I died was because you made a weapon for mid range that works at mid range! I demand you nerf that gun so I don't die anymore![/i] And we all know that the loudest voices are the ones that are heard - whether they are screaming arguments based on logic, or fallacy, makes no difference. The louder you are, the more "right" you are apparently...

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    • Funny how when it comes to fusion rifle nerf everyone is on board with it. But the crucible is crawling with shotguns, and everyone is cool about it.

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    • PVP crybabies got them nerfed. Nobody else. Sure as hell not the PVE majority.

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    • It needed a nerd but not this nerf

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      • My plug one.1 with hipfire and send it is still a monster in crucible

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      • I think they were fine before and they're fine now I use fusion rifles fairly often and the difference to me was minimal

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      • I think they were to op before. The patch was to hard though, the spreads worse then a shotgun.

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        • They murdered the term balance... This patch, especially AR nerf broke the game for me, I'm still playing as I have high hopes for HoW but there is only so much I can take

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        • Yep, but what can you do - all the shotty whores kept bitching because they would get outgunned by FR users. You know, when a shotty whore is 50 yards from an FR user, running towards him like a madman hoping to slide-n-shoot, only to watch the FR user chuckle, pull the trigger and send the idiot to his grave, OBVIOUSLY the game is so broken [b]/sarcasm[/b]

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          • With the abundance of special ammo there shouldn't be a ohko at medium range. Period.

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          • Not hard enough!

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          • Every single person who thinks they were OP means in crucible. PVE needs to be split. These nerfs suck against the bullet sponges. Time to kill adjustments in pve are far more drastic than pvp because of the difference in hp.

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          • Can we not one shot kill with fusion rifles anymore in PVP???

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            • I've seen a massive dropoff of fusion rifle usage, and assume the majority of those players picked up shotguns which have become ubiquitous in the crucible at this point. The presence of quick kill mid range primaries make these a waste of a weapon slot. It takes about as much time to charge and fire a shot with a fusion rifle as it does to fire a few bursts from my red death, or a thorn, out pump out half of the last words magazine. All of those options are more consistent at getting kills at mid range as well, and when fusion rifle engagements can take 2 to 3 charges to down an enemy, you can be sure people have stated shelving them for the raw power of shotguns.

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              • None of the above. Some of the crucible-oriented FRs needed to be toned down... But Bungie went too far.... Making shotguns even [i]more[/i] prevalent despite their nerf. Don't have to shoot people from long range if they can't kill ya before you can run up and shoot them at [i]close[/i] range. Bungie need to rollback the FR nerf to midway between where they were and where they are now. Plus they need to seriously [i]buff[/i] the SMG-like ARs like Atheon's Epilogue and Unwilling Soul. That class of AR got nerfed batted into unconsciousness.

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                  Fusion rifle users are noobs with no gun skills

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                  • I'm sorry but no one, NO ONE should kill or get killed by a Fusion rifle at 120 yards. Pre-patch there was 65% of radar watching, door camping, fusion users in PVP. People came out in overwhelming support for the Fusion range nerf with your poll as even more evidence. Personally, I don't think they got nerfed enough, as I can still get easy BS kills with Plan C... I don't base anything on what is killing me, I base what I believe needs to be nerfed on the amount, or lack of effort that I have to put into getting a kill. Fusion rifles take little to no skill to get kills with, even post nerf.

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                    • Yeah fusion rifles were hit the hardest I cant even take out enemy at close range anymore I have to fire twice. And yes I hit them with all my beams. Shotguns took no hit I actually think they buffed the shotguns. Crucible has now become all close ranged combat almost. I still put them down with my pulse rifles but I have to camp at range.I just get my bounties done in pvp and then move back to pve. Only thing I can say is if you dont like the way crucible is just dont play it.

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                    • 1) FRs are fine they are now working as they should 2) Shotgun will never be balanced for pvp

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                      • Considering i still get sniped with the sumbitches on pvp... no.

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                      • None of the secondary weapons are a design problem. Its the infinite ammount of secondary ammo you have in crucible

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                        • For me it's either they secondary weapons needed a big nerf or they reduce special ammo. Personally I would love to see special ammo treated as a more common heavy. I think it could promote a ton of cool new pvp strategies

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                        • i agree that the problem is the overabundance of special ammo that allows to use the special as a primary. Since the "balancing" patch the amount of shotguns has increased. I do think some FR had to much range though..

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                          • I still do just as well as before, when I don't get a kill I just fess up and accept the fact that I -blam!-ed up.

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                            • They are a mid range weapon that can't kill at mid range due to nerf. Now you have to be in shotgun range for a ohk, which kind of defeats the point of the fusion rifle.

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                              • They nerfed it the wrong way imo. They should have removed the precharge from them, if you pull the trigger the gun fires, regardless if you take your finger off it or not. The problem with FR isn't their range its the fact that people can precharge it and instantly kill you after you or they turn the corner and the only way to counter it is to be faster and more skilled with either another fusion rifle or a sniper, the latter of which being highly unlikely.

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