We cruciable players have to pve for our gear. Dont ever see us complaining do u?

You're kidding? PvPers complain constantly, and frankly I agree they should have a path to 30 even if it makes no difference outside Iron Banner. The last IB came close, maybe next IB they'll sell other pieces.

This is supposed to be a PVE based game with just enough PVP for player's like you to get your Jollies off! But it seems as if the ADD aspect of gaming has won again! Smh!

Sorry to burst ur bubble but this is not a pve only game. Pve plays a role in pvp just as much as pvp influnces a role in pve.

And not being a dick when I ask this, but please explain to me how pvp influences a role in pve?

Hmmm where to start... 1 access to fraction rewards. 2 extra 6 daily bounties that grant large sums of xp for various uses. 3 additional rep reward via game completions and bounties that furthers ur rep level of choice and in turn rewards u with items u can never buy or find anywhere else, along with random rolls on all gear rewarded. 4 small chance to recieve coins, motes, and items including exotics regardless of game performance, and arguable rewards the less equipped player. 5 do i need to continue? Snd also explain how pve plays a role in cruciable as well?

Please?! Because all that you've explained I've accomplished without setting foot in the crucible with the exception of The thorn exotic bounty! But I did notice a change in my style of play improve in pve from playing pvp! It made me better some how, may sound weird but it did!

Thats was gonna b number 5 but most ppl dont understand it does make u better in harder pve encounters. Oh so u can complete pvp bounties without playing in the cruciable?

No not that you can but use to be able to get crucible marks without going in but it's a hell of a grind that way vs just a few measly rounds of skirmish!

I know, which is terribly unfortunate because majority of the people who bought this was for the pve side of thing's! That was until Activision put their Call of Doodie hands all over it! LOL!

I like how it works together. Its super rare to finds games with a pvp set up that requires pve input and vice versa. This game was not advertised as mainly pve. Its a grand bounes that pvp is all about what u earn via pve. How many games do u see with this combined mechanic?

Require is a bit strong. I'm not far off 30 and havn't bothered to pvp at all. Mind you I did queue once and left as soon as i entered just see if you got grimoire cards for the map types. I don't like destiny PvP seems all a bit pointless to me. I log into Planetside 2 for my pvp fix as I prefer the combined arms and influence my pvp has on the game world. Eagerly awaiting Eternal Crusade as well since I like 40K and the model is combined arms. I'd like to be able to access rewards from the 3 other factions who are both PvE and PvP. Remove the actual faction rep increase from crucible handins and I can't ever buy crucible gear, which is the only PvP only faction in the game i can get rewards from. Iron Banner needs PvP. and even then I didn't bother complaining about the fact IB (pvp) is the only way to 'reset' guns. Just decided was something I'd never be able to do because of my choices and lived with it. But taking away my ability to buy faction items from NM, DO and FWC because I don't pvp is crap. They are not pvp only factions. Every patrol I do is for one of those faction groups. Right now, all Bungie has done with this change is affirm my decision not to bother buying the DLC. Trolls can be damned too. I pvp in games that I enjoy the pvp, destiny isn't one of them. If I don't like a game or the way it is being changed after release I simply stop giving them my money. But by speaking about it on the forums I at least let the company know my opinon. I'll also point out Dark Age of camelot has had a nice interaction between PvP and PvE and has done for over a decade. It's a bit dated know but it still is a reasonable format. Anyway happy gaming in whatever you choose to play. regards, Adz

You are very correct! I stand enlightened my friend! Still not a huge fan of getting my ass stomped in pvp though lol! But sometimes I get that competitive itch!

Nobody likes that but u cant win them all. And its a ton more fun then mat farming

You can only conclude this is Bungie forcing PVP on PVE players. I don't get why they think we'd want to do that.

+1. Forcing it down our throats. At least iron banner was optional..... Unlike those stupid missives and now ALL faction growth.