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Edited by Sgt Cabose: 11/7/2014 4:49:37 PM
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Runners vs Completionists

Runner

2550

Completionist

1702

Idler

85

Q: When it comes to strikes, you're a _______. But I'm "both". There is no option for me! [spoiler]Assume you have all the time in the world and you're soloing if you're "in the middle or both." This will help you identify what you really PREFER. Certainly, when faced with a time crunch but really want to play, we'll change out tactics from our true desires. However, with unlimited time, we'd be more likely to do what we WANT. Edit: there is no "Both" option. I want you to pick a side and defend it. Certainly there are a ton of us (myself included) that play to the rest of the group. But base your decision on soloing. Don't take the middle ground. That's too easy :P [/spoiler] Why there is no RIGHT answer: [spoiler]I'd recommend the book [u]Switch[/u] by Chip and Dan Heath. Arguing logic doesn't work. You have to motivate the emotional side of an individual to make it really work (in conjunction with logic). Your logic is sound, but you haven't targeted the [b][i][u]reason[/u][/i][/b] people walk/shoot (completionist) every strike. Some people are just plain having fun. If you could [b][i][u]show[/u][/i][/b] someone how much more [i]fun[/i] it is to run vice walk, you'd swing the community. Unfortunately, that must be felt and experienced. The written word (here) will most likely only apply to logic (unless you're an incredible writer). Logic is just not a strong enough element to do it alone.[/spoiler] Concerning the term: "Efficient" and why it's not an option on my poll. [spoiler]Most runners are running because of [i]time[/i] efficiency. That's probably the right title depending on your operational definition of efficient. One size does not fit all here. "Efficient" is defined by the measurement: Efficient completionists aren't worried about time, but kills instead... Not skipping any enemies. 100% encountered enemies die at their hands. Efficient runners are looking for personal records on strike TIME completion. "Gotta shave 30 seconds off. Skip the stupid colossus and just run by it." It's all in the eye of the beholder. Use this weeks Weekly Heroic as an example. After you activate the console in the public area by the interceptors, do you: A) Fight every enemy in the first big interior chamber and then continue on, also killing every enemy in front of the bosses siege tank (public area)? Efficient mob killer = completionist. Or B) Run and jump past those guys to get to the lieutenant fight (darkness zone), then run and jump to boss area? Efficient TIME completion = runner. Certainly there are those that want to split hairs and kill stuff while they're running through, but killing level 28 cabal majors and ultras takes some freaking time. If you're stopping to down all those dudes you're a completionists.[/spoiler] THIS POLL IS TO INCREASE AWARENESS This is the problem: People fall into 2 real categories. You either want the end of strike rewards only and time is of the essence, or you want to take the scenic route and kill everything on the way. Neither of these practices is bad!!!! Your brain and play style dictate what group you fall into. This does not mean the other group is [b][i][u]wrong[/u][/i][/b]! They're just different. Understand this and stop taking it personally. [spoiler]Idling is straight garbage. I don't care about the no-death strike bounties. Participate or get reported. Standing around farming materials and trash mobs also counts as idling no matter how you try to explain it.[/spoiler] So, which group to you fall into? I want this post to stick so everyone understands that there are 2 different schools of thought here and you should try to understand the majority. If 2 people sparrow off, they're runners. If you're a completionist, just quit, or speed ahead, help, and try your luck with a different group. If you sparrow up and the others walk towards the first mob, they obviously want to kill stuff. Quit, or hop off the sparrow and help. Of course no one is holding a gun to your head to be a team player, but team playing requires a "majority rules" mentality. Being the only runner makes you look like a jack ass. Sure, you soloed the boss. But your other 2 "team" members were left behind. It's not good etiquette. I say follow the crowd vice throwing a tantrum that someone isn't playing "your" way. Especially if you're the only one that wants to do it that way. Check left. Check right. Play as a team, OR DONT USE RANDOM MATCHMAKING AND GET MAD WHEN SOMETHING GOES WRONG! I'm a runner. Ran Sepkis Prime 25 times for Bad Juju, but slowed down when my team mates wanted to. Cheers guys. I did this in fun, but I hope it sticks. There are way too many hate threads about this.

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  • i only drive till i get to lvl 24-28 mobs, i rarely spend time killing small mobs that are technically not a part of a strike. does it make me a runner? i don't think so. but if randoms want to kill all lvl 5s i usually wait, no need to be rude.

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  • I rarely play the strike playlists. Mostly when it's a requirement for a bounty. While I certainly fall into the "runner" camp I prefer to stick with teammates.

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  • If anyone attempted to kill every enemy in the rocket yard they'd never even start the strike since as soon as you kill everything in one spot and move on to the next more enemies respawn in the spot you just left. It's impossible to kill all the enemies that endlessly spawn.

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  • Edited by Chit Chat: 11/7/2014 7:26:12 AM
    I'm a runner. It's my understanding that idlers actually don't get the rewards after the boss. I'm pretty sure of this. As long as they stay in the initial spawn area. Also I'm not just a runner. I'm a sprinter. At the Shrine of Oryx I run straight to the boss and skip EVERYTHING. Though I know that's not a strike.

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  • Edited by xLethalLethargy: 11/6/2014 11:24:14 PM
    My only comment is this: the [i]strike[/i] starts once you enter the first restricted respawn zone, as that is the point where there are no players present except your fireteam- if you want to stand around out at the spawn area and kill things you are not playing the [i]strike[/i]- once you enter that first darkness zone, kill everything

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    • It really depends on how much time I have, and what bounty I have

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    • The only strike that forces me to run through it is cerberus vae. Sepiks is fun and well paced. Phogoth is intense and frenetic. Nexus is a bit slower but satisfying. Winter's Run is probably my favorite. But cerberus..gtfo i have 15 minutes for that shit.

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    • I am like to make sure I kill everything in a strike it's all exp and extra chances to pick up engrams

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    • Im a completionist. I just want to kill, listen to my music, and relax doing strikes, helping others, or pvp. If the majority of a group wants to run through it, then ill just go alone with it.

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    • What do you use strikes for? I use them to complete bounties, vanguard marks and levelling up weapons & armour. Rushing ahead only completes 4 bounties, that come to mind, quicker - complete a strike without dying, defeat phogoth, defeat septis prime and complete 25 strikes (for bad juju - why do you even want it?). Of the four available only two can be completed in one strike (unless you are on strike No.25 obviously) All the other bounties like earn 9000xp, 100 precision kills, melee 30 enemies etc all require you to kill enemies. If you kill the so called "tissue paper" enemies than won't you complete your bounties quicker and in less strikes? What's the difference in XP for killing a lvl 13 vandal to a lvl 24 vandal? What's the time difference in killing a lvl 13 compared to a lvl 24? I can complete a strike in 10-15 mins (maybe 20 for the Mars strike) and that's not rushing. I complete more bounties, I get more kills, I earn more XP (motes of light) and my weapons & armour upgrade faster. Also for those that don't know; If you stay in close proximity to your fireteam (instead of rushing) then you get XP for my kills too.

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    • If it's based on soloing why would you include Idling? Who starts a strike or mission on their own and doesn't complete it?

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      • Speed run I'm in it for the end result, I've completed them more times than I can count so now for my marks and rep, I speed run to get as many runs as possible before I get bored of them.

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      • Simple, the AI should follow you and not go back to their camping spot after a short distance.

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      • Edited by Darkling: 11/7/2014 7:03:53 AM
        So if you start the Devil's lair do you kill all the useless enemies in the rocketyard? Instead of just driving to the entrance of the strike.

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      • If I'm soloing I tend to run, but otherwise I'll just go with others are doing. But I do prefer to kill everything and check for random loot. Cause I like playing the game for playing not for the end rewards.

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      • I like to kill everything in my path. But if the other two are rushing ahead I wont object to rushing too, I might not like it but majority rules.

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      • Yeah, first time through maybe up to third time through a strike I'll kill all the enemies. But after completing the same strike over and over again there's nothing wrong with skipping skippable enemies lol.

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      • Also, if EVERYONE in the strike kills all the adds WITHIN the actual strike, you'll go 90% as fast and gain marginally more engrams and XP than you would just rushing through and waiting for people to catch up. The PROBLEM is, a lot of people you meet in tiger strikes are complete morons.

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        • Edited by CubbyBoyJr360: 11/7/2014 6:42:47 AM
          I run in the Tiger playlist because I don't want to take the scenic route on a strike I've done so many times. I usually only take the scenic route on especially low or high level strikes. Or if my team quits in the middle of it. I once had to do the Archon Venus strike solo. That was fun. Not really, though. At all.

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        • Im a runner but only is its not night fall .shit gets real in that

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        • More of a runner than completionist but kill everything that's in my way as I run through. Usually only get about half the ads as I run past....As far as AFKers, if you can't actually participate in a normal strike without dying, your gonna fail at everything else in the game. Nightfall, raid, pvp. Your probably the people everyone complains about that gets the 0.08 k/d

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        • Played earlier and a random ran ahead. He skipped all the enemies until the Goliath tank. I sat down with my friend. Heard "guardian down" three times. He quit. My friend and I finished the strike, very quickly I might add. I got my second The Last Word on the reward screen.

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          • I like to run people over with the sparrow regardless if they're idle or playing. Adds a bit of RNG to the game..

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          • When someone goes afk i just sparrow murder them for eternity

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          • You need an option for both. It really depends on my mood and the people I'm playing with. But to all you AFKers you better be back within 2 minutes or may RNGesus forever curse you.

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            • I have no issues with both. Depends on the group.

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