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Edited by Muppet57:
10/15/2014 3:08:12 AM
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UPDATE Vex Mythoclast Before and After Comparison with Suros PVP
UPDATE 6: Something went wrong with the Hotfix and the nerf was actually bigger so I started a new topic to get some foccused attention to that new bit of information, if you want to check it out here it is [url]http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/73095222[/url]
UPDATE 5 READ : SO I just went and tried the vex myself and it seems bungie doesnt know how to do simple math, today before the patch I did these values below (Vex, I cant say 100% sure on the suros) nooow what Imdoing after the patch is way below advertised on their patch notes, Im dealing base damage 23 and crit 35, same as before the patch class and perks, so either they cant do math or they lied on the patch notes, i believe the later is more accurate
Another fella told me he was getting 26 and 39 with the impact upgrade still lower than my prediction with my gun using the stabilize perk on it, I didnt believe at first but he was right.....sad so sad they cant even nerf right.
EDIT: Did this with the stability upgrade, with the impact upgrade on the vex you might get more damage but not relevant enough
Before
Base Damage:
Vex: 41
Suros: 30
Crit Damage:
Vex: 51, 1.25x Multiplier
Suros: 45, 1.50x Multiplier
Vex: Base 5 Shots, Crit 4 Shots
Suros: Base 7 Shots, Crit 5 Shots
After
Base Damage:
-34% Vex: 27
-2% Suros: 29
Crit Damage:
Vex: 41, 1.5x Multiplier
Suros: 36, 1.25x Multiplier
Vex: Base 8 Shots, Crit 5 Shots
Suros: Base 7 Shots, Crit 6 Shots
Note*I'm totally sure on the vex, but not on the Suros,
lost my suros and cant test the damage on pvp , A friend told me the crit was 45 so im based on that, if im wrong please comment and ill correct things.
To Bungie:
So for all of us who actually succeeded to play Your game and made it to the end of the -blam!-ing Raid in HARD MODE you gave us the finger and a weapon that basically is a Suros but just uglier?
Where is the sense of accomplishment? Don't we all deserve to get a good weapon?
The weapon isnt unobtainable!Why this absurd nerf?
You just need to play the game and eventually everyone will get it.
I get where the nerf idea is coming from, you are going to nerf everything so the vex had to be nerfed aswell but 34%?!?!?!
1/3 of the weapon's damage , some hinted 15%, ok yeah I could live with that but 1/3 damage reduction is too much for me too handle....
To Community:
After three days straight without sleeping pulling a Whole team to the end and get slapped by this -blam!-ing
community that can only cry and bitch about stuff being way too overpowered or unfair I just FEEL like trashing you but I won't because its pointless, Nowadays communities on forums are ruining games more often then not, if you just got owned in pvp or if you know deep down that you are not good enough just join your friends in a party chat and trash THERE with them don't come here talking about an unbalanced game with no facts to back you up, please guys don't do any more damage to destiny. [url][/url] [url][/url]
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Needs a nerf
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Rise from the ashes
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1 ReplyWho the -blam!- did it this time. God dammit guys. Why can't we let dead threads rest in peace?!
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[quote]UPDATE 6: Something went wrong with the Hotfix and the nerf was actually bigger so I started a new topic to get some foccused attention to that new bit of information, if you want to check it out here it is [url]http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/73095222[/url] UPDATE 5 READ : SO I just went and tried the vex myself and it seems bungie doesnt know how to do simple math, today before the patch I did these values below (Vex, I cant say 100% sure on the suros) nooow what Imdoing after the patch is way below advertised on their patch notes, Im dealing base damage 23 and crit 35, same as before the patch class and perks, so either they cant do math or they lied on the patch notes, i believe the later is more accurate Another fella told me he was getting 26 and 39 with the impact upgrade still lower than my prediction with my gun using the stabilize perk on it, I didnt believe at first but he was right.....sad so sad they cant even nerf right. EDIT: Did this with the stability upgrade, with the impact upgrade on the vex you might get more damage but not relevant enough Before Base Damage: Vex: 41 Suros: 30 Crit Damage: Vex: 51, 1.25x Multiplier Suros: 45, 1.50x Multiplier Vex: Base 5 Shots, Crit 4 Shots Suros: Base 7 Shots, Crit 5 Shots After Base Damage: -34% Vex: 27 -2% Suros: 29 Crit Damage: Vex: 41, 1.5x Multiplier Suros: 36, 1.25x Multiplier Vex: Base 8 Shots, Crit 5 Shots Suros: Base 7 Shots, Crit 6 Shots Note*I'm totally sure on the vex, but not on the Suros, lost my suros and cant test the damage on pvp , A friend told me the crit was 45 so im based on that, if im wrong please comment and ill correct things. To Bungie: So for all of us who actually succeeded to play Your game and made it to the end of the -blam!-ing Raid in HARD MODE you gave us the finger and a weapon that basically is a Suros but just uglier? Where is the sense of accomplishment? Don't we all deserve to get a good weapon? The weapon isnt unobtainable!Why this absurd nerf? You just need to play the game and eventually everyone will get it. I get where the nerf idea is coming from, you are going to nerf everything so the vex had to be nerfed aswell but 34%?!?!?! 1/3 of the weapon's damage , some hinted 15%, ok yeah I could live with that but 1/3 damage reduction is too much for me too handle.... To Community: After three days straight without sleeping pulling a Whole team to the end and get slapped by this -blam!-ing community that can only cry and bitch about stuff being way too overpowered or unfair I just FEEL like trashing you but I won't because its pointless, Nowadays communities on forums are ruining games more often then not, if you just got owned in pvp or if you know deep down that you are not good enough just join your friends in a party chat and trash THERE with them don't come here talking about an unbalanced game with no facts to back you up, please guys don't do any more damage to destiny. [url][/url] [url][/url][/quote]
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I'm Pretty sure the nerf sucks,I don't use exotics or legendary weapons. I use the first rifle you get,And Still get kills
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6 RepliesVM is garbage now!!! F all the bitches who cried about it just because they didnt have it!!! And F bungie for listening to those bitches!!!
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Food for thought here bungie so please pay attention. I congratulate on coming up with a solution to the Vex Mythoclast problem for PvP It shows that you pay attention when there is a problem; However how you handled it could have been much better because as it is you fixed PvP but made it irrelevant in PvE. Would it not have been better to put a max damage cap on PvP for the weapon instead of permanently lowering the base damage across the board? Or perhaps create set damages for each weapon type, for example low rate of fire and high impact Auto Rifles could do around 20 damage with body shots and around 30 with critical shots. At least with that no one would be able to complain about weapons having an unfair advantage in PvP or weapons being underwhelming in PvE. I know that most likely you will completely disregard this comment, that is if anyone important even sees this, so the most this going to do for me is to get my opinion out there and off my mind. The balls been in your court for a while stop dribbling and go for a darn basket already, sincerely, crazy-redkitty(an exasperated player)
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I don't play pvp because I found it very uncomfortable to me. Only control is kinda okay, but I played it for a while, then went completely pve. Pve is why I'm still in this game. Found vex a week ago and I even don't use it. It is not good weapon for an exotic slot. Perhaps it was okay before all these stories, but I don't get, why in pvp and pve are the same equipments available? Or if it's available, make them available to buy or do quests or something. Something is wrong with this game and this something will finish it off. Unless Bungie change something.
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4 RepliesLol all your comments make me laugh. Just stfu and go play.
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The only reason anyone would admit to being crap at PVP is if everyone had exactly the same weapons and stats and the odds were even and they still lost every time they played. You my friend are talking rubbish!! Yes after the pain staking hard work you want a descent reward I get that because so would I but the thing you have to ask yourself is would you really want to play PVP against a pretty much unbeatable player with an over powered gun? The straight forward answer is NO you would definitely get sick of dying 99% of the time. This is the reason bungie have decreased the weapon stats so that players of lower level can have a crack at the big shots!!
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Instead of nerfing it they should have made it a temporary weapon drop in crucible like heavy ammo - so somebody has a chance of picking it up for a few mins. At the end the gun is removed from your inventory - sort of like quad powerup in Quake games where everybody rushes to get it to do maximum damage. Maybe just on rumble maps. This would have also allowed people to have a go with it and possibly encourage them to try and complete the raid on hard.
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2 Repliessome clear points Bungie or at the whips of Acti$vision is making a game 1) Where every single weapon is the same because they can't have the bad players or vocal whiny players QQing that they are losing to X because they want to MILK as many people as possible. They do this by making everything same so everyone can FEEL special When a weapon starts becoming the popular they nerf it to be similar to other weapons, instead of fixing the actual problem. -Their actual problem is their gun mechanics are shit and the MAP design further compounds this issue. what is shit about guns, THEY are all the SAME gun Auto Rifles are ; medium range (high stability) high rof, decent range weapons that have auto fire Scout rifles are ; medium range (but longer range) high stab, slow rof, weapons without auto fire. They have higher impact. The range is negated by the fact that MAPS do not support it. The Impact is negated by ROF. Pulse are : medium range weapons but may have high range/stab but have low impact and burst fire, again any range buffs are pointless rof and impact weaken them. Shotguns are CQC death zones but outside of that moot (popular due to maps being mostly CQC) Snipers are great but very situational Fusion rifles can be great but still situational Heavys are heavys now we get to the Vex M, it was supposed to be a hard to get item that was really good, due to a panic video of some scrub owning other scrubs by abusing the CQC nature of a map got the wepaon nerfed. The nerf wasn't design to balance the weapon It was designed to make the weapon the same as other options, as all of the other nerfs have been. They don't want balance they want to make you think you weapon choice matters IT doesn't. TLDR: trying to reason with people who have hidden agendas is pointless and a waste of your time and/or money. The agenda is to make every snowflake feel special that no other snowflake has something different that it does. This is the cancerous disease inside of the gaming industry now, rather than spending the time or effort on making an amazing game they choose to take the easy strip everything down to a water shell of a game that any crybaby entitled brat can pick up and play for more $$. Quick term cash is more important. The irony is if they made an amazing game sales would skyrocket for further games and//or actual expansions NOT content removed because publishers are cheap assholes and don't want devs to spend time on more content.
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3 RepliesI don't understand the big deal about the vex, anytime I went against someone and they were using it, I completely destroyed them. It's about skill, not weapons. I beat the raid and the nightfall with nothing but rare weapons, I didn't get my first exotic or legendary until after the nightfall last week.
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1 ReplyGood lord you guys really neg'd out. I just got the mythoclast and think it is a fantastic weapon. I'm going to go ahead and thank Bungie for such a beautiful weapon.
