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7/21/2014 1:24:32 PM
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You don't think this game caters to noobs, what?! Everyone has a ONE shot weapon on them at all times, these take drastically less skill then your primary weapons. Supers are a get out of jail free card, especially the titan's.
How old are you if this is one of the hardest games you've ever played? I'm fast losing my faith in humanity.
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This has nothing to do with faith in humanity (at least, not until you posted your infantile diatribe, which did not make me lose my faith in humanity, only confirmed my disdain for the same). I don't think this game caters to noobs at all. Your super is a "use when appropriate" weapon. I've fired it off with multiple campers on a flag point but that was once. Most of the time I'm dead before I get a chance to. Other than that, the recharge speed keeps it from being the go-to choice. Age doesn't have anything to do with the difficulty of the game. It has to do with reaction times, which puts me about a second or two behind the younger PVP players. I'm usually dead before I even realize they're there. You're a child (I can tell by your childish post). When you get older you will understand. Right now, however, all you can see is yourself.
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Edited by Hellkath: 7/21/2014 4:31:56 PMLove this post! I myself have never liked shooters.. basically because I suck at em and never wanted to invest the time to get better either because.. well I didn't like playing them! and 'round goes the carousel. But this game has implemented elements that DO catch my attention such as RPG elements.. augmenting my capabilities and armor... and even after dying multiple times at level 1, I still wanted to go strong and get better to get, well.. stronger and better! I've been a gamer forever and by all means, I don't usually suck at games but this one has definately made me want to improve myself! Please don't dumb it down, Bungie!!! it's perfect the way it is! (And to the kid above about the one shot weapons... you can't kill every mob with your one shot weapon so get over yourself) Oh and ps. Tiger Dave, please add my to your PS friends.. you sound like someone I'd really enjoy teaming up with! - Hellkath
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Edited by Tiger Dave: 7/22/2014 4:40:21 PMI will! Edit: And added! Look forward to head-shotting with you tomorrow!
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Firstly I'm not a child I'm 23. Secondly supers do cater to noobs. They're random get out of jail free cards. If I am killing a Titan, and he randomly uses his super to kill me that isn't fun; it's just bad gameplay. If this is one of the hardest fps games you've played, then you haven't played too many fps games. Also nice use of the word 'diatribe.' Does using complex vocabulary on a video game forum make you feel sophisticated? Not really the place for vocabulary like that. You could've just said my post was overly critical, or does that not stroke your 'adult ego' as much as words like 'diatribe' do? Man I wish I was grown up enough to use those words in a forum, maybe when I'm 30 years of age.
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i agree with u there tiger dave that dude need to go back to mario and the basic games for children if they get up sit about what people prefer to use because with my 3 characters my hunter warlock and titan i have all 3 of them there own style hunter sniper rifle and a hand cannon titan rifle and shotgun or something warlock pulse rifle or semi automatic rifle and then secondary something else and for heavy weapons titan and warlock machine and hunter rocket launcher
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Firstly I'm not a child I'm 23. Secondly supers do cater to noobs. They're random get out of jail free cards. If I am killing a Titan, and he randomly uses his super to kill me that isn't fun; it's just bad gameplay. If this is one of the hardest fps games you've played, then you haven't played too many fps games. Also nice use of the word 'diatribe.' Does using complex vocabulary on a video game forum make you feel sophisticated? Not really the place for vocabulary like that. You could've just said my post was overly critical, or does that not stroke your 'adult ego' as much as words like 'diatribe' do? Man I wish I was grown up enough to use those words in a forum, maybe when I'm 30 years of age.
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I posted elsewhere asking for a deeper explanation. I never last long enough to trigger the super - I'm continually in Respawn hell. I'm not experiencing what you're experiencing. Supers in my matches that I see rarely come into game, and only in the most knee-jerk of moments. As to my vocabulary, it's part of my every-day conversation style. What you seem to view as "elitism" I view as normal conversation. I don't see it as my flaunting anything over anyone else and I there is no such intent behind the same. I absolutely will not reduce my writing to baseline forum standards (and my punctuation bites ass - too many ellipsis, commas, etc., and I never know where to put the punctuation in regards to parenthesis).
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not much to offer here but generally the punctuation goes on the outside of the parenthesis (like so). I really don't have any thing else to offer on this dead horse.
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Thanks! There are some things that I *should* remember, but then there are some things that, even though I may have recently looked up, for some reason never slide into long-term. Parenthesis + punctuation is one of them.
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[quote]I posted elsewhere asking for a deeper explanation. I never last long enough to trigger the super - I'm continually in Respawn hell. I'm not experiencing what you're experiencing. Supers in my matches that I see rarely come into game, and only in the most knee-jerk of moments. As to my vocabulary, it's part of my every-day conversation style. What you seem to view as "elitism" I view as normal conversation. I don't see it as my flaunting anything over anyone else and I there is no such intent behind the same. I absolutely will not reduce my writing to baseline forum standards (and my punctuation bites ass - too many ellipsis, commas, etc., and I never know where to put the punctuation in regards to parenthesis).[/quote] All I was saying is that supers were random and unbalanced. I wasn't trying to be overly critical, although I will concede that my response was a tad immature. I just see the vast amount of potential this game has, and I would love to see that potential realized. If they drastically reduce the amount of special ammo on the map, and have a playlist that doesn't allow supers I would be satisfied.
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I think there's room for rational discourse in this area. One concern is that for the team that is winning, especially if grossly ahead, this is a way to abuse the dominate position - just like spawn point camping. For the team that is being decimated, supers are a method to shift the initiative. It would be interesting to see an intelligent, self-adjusting cooldown timer that would act as an in-game handicap based upon score results, but you may find that sort of artificial imbalance leading to more median scores. One thing to consider though is that usually the PVP body tends to self-regulate. You will always have the abusers of the system, and if Supers have been deemed over-used in PVP then you should see some balancing. This would be better if we could get about 25 peeps into a room and just have a long discussion - both pros and noobs - to find that perfect sweet-spot that both can agree on.
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ok I guess it's not a dead horse yet (my bad). You guys are constructively working towards a place of discussion and consideration for each others opinions after a rough start. I think I just heard pigs feet landing on my roof. This is awesome. I'm even more excited that I might actually find people playing Destiny now that will be fun (the first days of XBoxLive) and not just focused on pissin each other off. It used to be fun to kill and get killed. Maybe it can be again.
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Yeah. I kind of feel bad, but I absolutely will not accept the "norm" of gamer forum posting (usually personal attacks and bashings, poorly explained issues, etc). Unfortunately, it does tend to make me a little sensitive (there is room for argument over my interpretation of the word 'little') on the trigger finger when firing off a response. I was completely wrong in throwing in that last sentence.
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ok I guess it's not a dead horse yet (my bad). You guys are constructively working towards a place of discussion and consideration for each others opinions after a rough start. I think I just heard pigs feet landing on my roof. This is awesome. I'm even more excited that I might actually find people playing Destiny now that will be fun (the first days of XBoxLive) and not just focused on pissin each other off. It used to be fun to kill and get killed. Maybe it can be again.
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ok I guess it's not a dead horse yet (my bad). You guys are constructively working towards a place of discussion and consideration for each others opinions after a rough start. I think I just heard pigs feet landing on my roof. This is awesome. I'm even more excited that I might actually find people playing Destiny now that will be fun (the first days of XBoxLive) and not just focused on pissin each other off. It used to be fun to kill and get killed. Maybe it can be again.
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@Tiger Dave and WarwickWarrior There's no need to go around calling names and boasting about your age. Let's keep the conversation focused on reasonable arguments. Look at competitive communities. Any game with a low skill ceiling or that features an element of randomness that is impossible to account for, generally has a very short life as a competitive multiplayer game. This doesn't necessarily mean the game itself will have a short life, look at COD for example, but it just means it won't gather the long-lasting and robust competitive community that games like Counter-Strike, Halo 2 or SOCOM have. Destiny PVP as it exists in the Beta, has at least one major un-counterable element in it, the "Supers". The ease of achieving one-hit-kills is also a concern due to the who-sees-who-first aspect that it introduces. I personally think fixing auto-aim (i.e. decreasing it's strength) would help fix this. PS. I'm 32 years old, by the way. It really doesn't matter how old you are, as long as your arguments are reasonable.
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Edited by Tiger Dave: 7/21/2014 7:08:45 PMFair enough. And not boasting about my age, rather lamenting it. Someone aged 23 should be able to present a more salient argument than Warwick presents. The cool-downs of the supers does not make it a go-to choice. It is a sometimes choice. I am sorry that Warwick is getting manhandled by Titans, but I have seen more deaths to shooting than to Supers. I've been able to pull off this "get out of jail free" card once. PS: I'm 51. When I say my twitch suffers from it, I REALLY MEAN my twitch suffers from it.
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I completely agree! Supers are actually very situational and are used to turn the tide of battle when used correctly. Yes the titan super makes him virtually unkillable. But what happens when he uses that to save his own ass and suddenly the enemy team has just capped two points and are surrounding your spawn with frightening pressure. Sometimes I might even forget to use my super all game because I feel the situation doesn't call for me to use it. And it's almost like the complaint of shotgun+melee combo. Again it's relatively balanced because there have been many a time where I'm rushing a point, get distracted and get completely owned due to my horrible concentration and awareness of enemies in close proximity. Besides the shotgun is absolutely useless untill the enemies body takes up at least half of your crosshair circle. Too far away your bullets are just gonna bounce of them like a fly to a windshield. Which is where Autorifles come into play and add another dinamic of instead of rushing everything you pace yourself and draw the enemy into your territory where you know you can win. If they are silly enough to fight you at midrange with shotgun vs auto then they deserve to be mowed down. And don't even get me started on how balanced the scout rifles are. Precision mid to long range, anything closer and well... yeah obvious answer. P.S. I'm 19 and I like to think I can hold a coherent and comprehensible argument/conversation. :D
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It's not about the fact that everyone has a super... It's about using what you have to best of your ability. It's about balance. And it takes more skill to use your supers effectively than to just use it as a "get out of jail free" card. I've used it as a noobs way out, but if you always use it for a guaranteed kill, you won't ever be anything more than a noob. Just last night I took out 3 infantry and an interceptor because of a well timed, and placed FoH.That I had been holding onto for a few minutes. A quad kill isn't easy unless you think about how to best use your super. I'm not saying that playing the game isn't easy, because it's super easy to pick up and play, once you get used to the difference in mechanics from military shooters... But reaching a level where you can dominate games with your team can be challenging, and that is where the game can be seen as hard. I see it as both, as I believe I have identified. Easy to play, difficult to play correctly. If you disagree, that's ok. I'm not gonna argue with you. You are entitled to your own opinion. :)
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Edited by Tiger Dave: 7/21/2014 5:39:20 PMAbsolutely. This is what I mean. Gameplay is super easy. Pick up the controller and go. Response times, etc. are perfect. But there is no forgiveness here for sloppy play. This isn't the "pick up and complete in 15 minutes" style of game. Instead, it is quite challenging. I love it. Auto-aim might be something to bring up, and may be part of my own problems. I'm not "spray and pray" and maybe I'm wasting too much time trying to get a bead on folk. I'll have to test this and see if it ramps up my scores. Too much the IRL soldier in me I guess. Get a lot of headshots in PVE though ...
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Edited by WarwickWarrior: 7/21/2014 3:27:18 PMThank you for your well thought out post, I really appreciate it! I'm not disagreeing that you can use supers effectively. What I'm saying is that if I am owning a Titan and he is almost dead and then uses his super it's not fun. It's not fun to have a fair advantage on a player only for them to bust out a random super to kill you. There are situations where it's unavoidable and it's frustrating. In this capacity supers are just a crutch for players of less skill to gain kills on you. The abundance of one hit kill weapons available at all times is another crutch for lesser players as well. In truly great long lasting games: counter strike, Halo 1-3, quake, unreal tournament, etc. there are no cheap ways for players to get kills. You gain your advantage from skill and skill alone. You actually had to think to gain map control, and gain an advantage over the enemy team. Hitting L1+R1 or LB+RB at the same time doesn't take skill. This game is fun and it has sooooo much potential, but it won't have a long lasting PvP community if it isn't balanced. That's just how gaming works. Look at how long people played Halo 1-3, and then compare that to how fast Reach and the joke that was Halo 4 died. People would play for years trying to get to level 50 in Halo 2-3.
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I hate to take away DPS from the tanking class, but I am wondering if that sort of auto-slaughter is even an appropriate super for the Titan? The hunter triggers his but still has to shoot. The Warlock is a sort of auto-bomb thing. I wonder if the Titan's should be more attuned to the role - IE triggers a mass stun, a shield, or something other than DPS.
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Edited by Novan Leon: 7/21/2014 4:13:38 PMThis pretty much sums up my concerns with Destiny. Supers are un-counterable and auto-aim is too significant, making it too easy to score headshots with the sniper rifle at mid-long ranges (really, it takes almost no effort). I usually love sniping and am quite good at it, but I'm already bored with sniping in Destiny because it's just way too easy. Combined with the hit registration delay/lag issues, I feel like anything I do in the game really doesn't matter because someone can come along and OSOK me without so much as an opportunity to fight back. Auto-aim needs to be decreased to make headshots much more skill-based, particularly with the sniper rifle. Supers need to be either (a) relegated to specific Crucible game types, (b) made single-use for the entire match, (c) given practical counters, or (d) some combination of above. Hit registration delay/lag just needs to be fixed. As it stands, I'm already bored with Destiny PVP after two days, which is very rare. Even BF4 which is very random and filled with non-competitive gameplay elements has kept me interested longer than this.
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Well stated. I've certainly been frustrated playing it. But I believe that one has to adapt to the game play and to the situation to get better. As I was voicing my frustration last night, my son told me to just quit out. My response was, "I could, but then I won't learn what I need to do to get better." And that was when it was 6 vs 4 and I was conistently double teamed. A few games later it was 6 vs 1. I managed a 1.0 kd. Not too shabby in my book.
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That's a good attitude. Far too many people just quit when they're behind. You just have to take a step back, relax, and use it as a learning experience.
