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Edited by Recon Number 54:
5/28/2013 1:27:47 AM
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I solved the Gay Marriage issue
It's so God damn easy I don't get why no one thought of this yet. I posted this earlier a few months back but I think it was ignored. Before you start flaming me for my warped view of reality, at least read the whole thing
Give Civil Unions the same benefits as Marriage, and let Heterosexual couples be allowed to have Civil Unions. That would eliminate any "Separate but Equal" bullshit out of the water. But wait, there's more! Legalize Gay Marriage across the country, but let individual churches choose whether or not to accept the marriages. If Gay couples really wanted marriage they should have no problem finding a small local church to hold their wedding, and if they cant find a church to approve of it, there is always a Government equivalent with the same benefits.
Bam! Boom! Solved. Where's my medal?
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9 RepliesOr just allow gay people to get married, thats even easier.
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3 RepliesI'm still not sure why we can't just let same sex couples get married and call it a day. Plenty of other countries have legalized it federally, with no consequence to hetero couples or religious folk.
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4 RepliesI don't know if anyone's said it yet, but I can't keep a straight face when someone talks about protecting the "sanctity of marriage" while completely disregarding the 53% divorce rate in America.
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I have an easier solution: Gay people keep it to themselves, and stop trying to get attention for it.
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1 ReplyIf gays want to go through the mind shattering, soul crushing, delight that is marriage.. I say so be it!
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still don't understand why people get married it's basically a death sentence.
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2 RepliesGay marriage you say?
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6 Replies[quote]That would eliminate any "Separate but Equal" bullshit out of the water. [/quote]No it doesn't. Do you know WHY separate but equal was declared unconstitutional? I didn't until I started to study law. It is because separate is INHERENTLY unequal- unconstitutional. It isn't a matter of keeping the rights the same. In regards to blacks vs. whites, if colored bathrooms were just as pristine as white bathrooms, it STILL would be unconstitutional. This is because the Supreme Court said the reason separate but equal is unconstitutional is because by separating the two things, you are inherently saying they are different and one thing is 'worse' than the other so it has to be kept separate. The only reason colored people had to be separate was because they were 'less' than white people. This caused a psychological difference between the two and that psychological effect on the minds of colored people meant they could not be equal after all. In other news... [quote]Give Civil Unions the same benefits as Marriage, and let Heterosexual couples be allowed to have Civil Unions.[/quote]In the Wisconsin State Constitution at least, it is illegal to have Civil Unions have the same rights as Marriage. The term used is anything 'substantially similar' to marriage in a domestic partnership is unconstitutional because in the state constitution marriage is strictly between a man and woman- that is specified directly in the law. Therefore gay rights activists in the state have to defend domestic partnerships between two tracts: Both that the rights are different enough that domestic partnership should be allowed, and that the process into which you ENTER a domestic partnership is different enough to allow it to exist. If either of those two things were the same, domestic partnership could be completely eliminated in the state. So your act would actually STOP 'gay marriage,' not promote it. [quote]let individual churches choose whether or not to accept the marriages.[/quote]And just to add, to enter a domestic partnership all you have to do, again at least in Wisconsin though I imagine it extends elsewhere, is to live with the other person for 30 days, one of the parties must live in the county you'll be married in for the few days, and sign a piece of paper. No church or marriage needed.
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13 Repliesif we just make Civil Partnerships the same as Marriages then we have the Separate but Equal problem (that it isn't equal). if we give everyone Civil Partnerships and make Marriages exclusive to religion (with everything the same except the names) then we again have the Separate but Equal problem, just applying to religion rather than sexual orientation.
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11 RepliesIf Civil Unions got the same rights as marriages why not just use the same word? And the church things was never a part of it. Gays aren't trying to force churches to marry them, they want the government to recognize them as married couples and afford them the same rights as married heterosexual couples.
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20 RepliesWhy would anybody pick Civil Unions over Marriages? Why not just stop being assholes and let Gay people get married? Like -blam!- it's not a big -blam!-ing deal just stop being bigots.
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13 RepliesStill not equal if churches can legally marry two individuals and the churches can decide not to allow specific couples to get married. I'd love to see America embrace the constitutional "Separation of Church and State" clause and remove legal power from religious instituations but this in 'Merica, where the supreme law of the land is basically irrelevant except for oh so special second amendment.
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There's a gay marriage issue? Are you sure the issue isn't with small-minded bigots who for some reason want a say in how others live their lives?
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2 RepliesI once read a very simple argument supporting gay marriage. It went like this: Are there any nonreligious reasons to prevent homosexuals from marriage? No. Is religion allowed in our government? No. Legalize gay marriage.
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Or just legalize it...you know, like it should've been already.
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Edited by Arbiter 739: 5/28/2013 2:42:52 PMI tried saying the same thing even before the site update, I don't think it's gaining any traction. EDIT: And then I read burritosenor's post.
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Edited by ToastyWaffles: 5/28/2013 11:40:31 AMI have a very similar solution (though I didn't come up with it originally). Give civil unions equal legal rights as marriages do, and allow hetersexual couples to enter into civil unions (as you said). But then make marriage no longer a recognised civil institution. It doesn't need to be one. As a Christian I can tell that we value marriage for more than just the legal benefits. [i]To us[/i] it's about make a promise before your spouse and before God to stay together for the rest of your life. Most Christians don't have a problem with gay's having equal civil rights, therefore marriage should not be a civil issue. All religions and denominations can still hold marriage ceremonies for whomever they chose, as can hotels etc, without being told otherwise. Everyone gets what they want.
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2 Replies[quote]That would eliminate any "Separate but Equal" bullshit out of the water.[/quote]well, no it doesn't
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Edited by Quantum: 5/28/2013 5:27:35 AM-It's redundant. -There is no good non-religious reason for preventing gay marriage. -What you just stated is separate but equal being applied. I can change your words and add races into the fray and it would be similar to the 1960's Civil Right issues. The current situation is not separate but equal, because it is not equal at all in theory, or in practice! -Taking the words from neo-conservative HM Rob, "the left doesn't compromise" is stupid, for the reasons above. -The gay marriage debate is a stepping stone to defeating other forms of inequality.
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But if you're giving civil rights the same benefits as marriage, then it's essentially the same thing, and you've only accomplished at changing the name. Is that what conservatives are fighting for, a name change? Why?
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1 ReplyOr you can just legalise gay marriage and make the whole process 10x easier.
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Better solution: Legalize it! Don't let religion in to politics and/or civil rights.
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America. Y u so silly.
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2 RepliesI'm a conservative that has long supported this idea. The only problem is that there are a lot of people on the left that aren't willing to compromise.
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1 ReplyExcept, it's not that easy. While I can agree with your methods, it won't work through Congress and the people of the Church are so close-minded that they'll still say "No" to it.
