[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Flankenstein5150 It looks like a slightly updated version of something we have already played to death in Halo 2. Heck, it doesn't even really look better. It simply looks different. [/quote]You could borrow my glasses. I don't need them that bad anyway.

Did anyone notice the island in the background of Last Resort?

i remember seeing somewhere a picture of the wall by the gate to the base. It looked so much better than in halo 2. it had a walkway all the way across to where the little hill in the corner is.

The enviroments actually look like they make sense, in Last resort it looks like a place where people will be unlike the Zanzibar apperance looks like a battlefield

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Flankenstein5150 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BLUE PHO3NIX If your not talking about the beta then why are you trying to use it to strengthen your argument against THIS map? Hell, Last resort isn't even finished.[/quote] Others brought the beta up first. If someone is going to take the time to make a comment regarding the beta I think it would be appropriate to take the time to respond to them. Bottom line, Halo 3 is going to be held to the highest standards possible when it is released. The game is very close to being done and sooner or later the excuses that people make about the graphics being behind the times are going to have to stop. [/quote] The excuses will stop as soon as the people bashing the graphics (which is pointless in itself to be honest) have the sense and the ability to accept the truth about the BETA and the graphics they have seen so far. other than that, I totally agree with you. I'm confident Bungie can deliver the goods =]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Flankenstein5150 Which would be another example of why anyone who doesn't possess the mentality of the lemmings who post on this forum is disappointed in how the game looks so far. The beta didn't look as good as the supposedly in game trailer looked and neither has anything that has been released since. It almost seems like the graphics in Halo 3 were made to compete with Source and the Doom 3 engine, both technologies that were released around the same time as Halo 2. You guys can try and rationalize being behind the curve in terms of graphics all you want. But the fact of the matter is that the bar has been set as high as possible for Halo 3 and when the final product is released it is going to be judged by the highest possible standards. And as it stands right now, the graphics don't reach that level. [/quote] But you're forgetting who's setting the bar for Halo 3. Not Gears, not Crysis, not Doom 3, and not Unreal. Bungie is going to set their own bar. That may or may not be as high as the other games, but us true fans appreciate that. Bungie have always been about gameplay over graphics. Sure the graphics are a plus, but if the game has horrible gameplay, then no amount of graphical eye-candy will make me play it. If you don't like it, by all means, don't play it.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BLUE PHO3NIX If your not talking about the beta then why are you trying to use it to strengthen your argument against THIS map? Hell, Last resort isn't even finished.[/quote] Others brought the beta up first. If someone is going to take the time to make a comment regarding the beta I think it would be appropriate to take the time to respond to them. Bottom line, Halo 3 is going to be held to the highest standards possible when it is released. The game is very close to being done and sooner or later the excuses that people make about the graphics being behind the times are going to have to stop.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Flankenstein5150 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Avisan [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Flankenstein5150 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DrDeath13 I'm very objective. If it looked like crap, I'd say it looked like crap. It's just that it really does make Halo 2 look bad. Halo 2's colors look so bland and murky, and so much less detal than Halo 3. Like I said, I really don't know what people are expecting this game to be. Are you expecting it to look as good as the Starry Night TV spot?[/quote] With the enormous amount of hype that Bungie and Microsoft have generated and will continue to generate towards the game, people will probably expect something that is at the very least [i]comparable[/i] to the current graphical standards in the video game world(ie Unreal Engine 3, CryEngine2). Instead, gamers are stuck seeing something that is only marginally better than the previous game in the series that was also on a previous generation of consoles. [/quote] Uh, Flank? Did you see the E3 trailer? That was produced in-engine, in-game. The stuff on the opposite edge of the crater over 3 klicks away were actual in-game objects. THAT is Bungie's bar for the Halo 3 campaign. I love how people are trying to judge Halo 3's graphics based on its multiplayer. Multiplayer is for smooth, optimized performance. They're not going for pure graphical beauty.[/quote] Which would be another example of why anyone who doesn't possess the mentality of the lemmings who post on this forum is disappointed in how the game looks so far. The beta didn't look as good as the supposedly in game trailer looked and neither has anything that has been released since. It almost seems like the graphics in Halo 3 were made to compete with Source and the Doom 3 engine, both technologies that were released around the same time as Halo 2. You guys can try and rationalize being behind the curve in terms of graphics all you want. But the fact of the matter is that the bar has been set as high as possible for Halo 3 and when the final product is released it is going to be judged by the highest possible standards. And as it stands right now, the graphics don't reach that level. [/quote] Dude. Again, you're judging Halo 3's graphics based on the unpolished multiplayer graphics we received in the Beta. It's been stated by Bungie that the multiplayer graphics are bare and more simple out of necessity in order to keep the gameplay smooth and allow the 360 to devote more operational power to position updates instead of drawing pretty pictures. Halo 3's [b]campaign[/b] WILL look as good as the E3 trailer, or at least pretty damn close. The multiplayer will be much more aesthetically bare to support smooth play. I fail to see where that got lost in translation the first time..?

it looks the same to me.

I'd say I'd have to prefer this comparison: [url=http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/734/734817/img_4670053.html]Last Resort[/url] [url=http://img165.exs.cx/img165/3166/zanzibar5gy.png]Zanzibar[/url]

If your not talking about the beta then why are you trying to use it to strengthen your argument against THIS map? Hell, Last resort isn't even finished.

Have u seen the sand on the beach, it looks amazing, I just cant wait to drive around in the mongoose and kick up sand.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BLUE PHO3NIX [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Flankenstein5150 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Avisan [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Flankenstein5150 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DrDeath13 I'm very objective. If it looked like crap, I'd say it looked like crap. It's just that it really does make Halo 2 look bad. Halo 2's colors look so bland and murky, and so much less detal than Halo 3. Like I said, I really don't know what people are expecting this game to be. Are you expecting it to look as good as the Starry Night TV spot?[/quote] With the enormous amount of hype that Bungie and Microsoft have generated and will continue to generate towards the game, people will probably expect something that is at the very least [i]comparable[/i] to the current graphical standards in the video game world(ie Unreal Engine 3, CryEngine2). Instead, gamers are stuck seeing something that is only marginally better than the previous game in the series that was also on a previous generation of consoles. [/quote] Uh, Flank? Did you see the E3 trailer? That was produced in-engine, in-game. The stuff on the opposite edge of the crater over 3 klicks away were actual in-game objects. THAT is Bungie's bar for the Halo 3 campaign. I love how people are trying to judge Halo 3's graphics based on its multiplayer. Multiplayer is for smooth, optimized performance. They're not going for pure graphical beauty.[/quote] Which would be another example of why anyone who doesn't possess the mentality of the lemmings who post on this forum is disappointed in how the game looks so far. The beta didn't look as good as the supposedly in game trailer looked and neither has anything that has been released since. It almost seems like the graphics in Halo 3 were made to compete with Source and the Doom 3 engine, both technologies that were released around the same time as Halo 2. You guys can try and rationalize being behind the curve in terms of graphics all you want. But the fact of the matter is that the bar has been set as high as possible for Halo 3 and when the final product is released it is going to be judged by the highest possible standards. And as it stands right now, the graphics don't reach that level. [/quote] I'm sorry, but there's one thing i REALLY don't get. Are you people seriously mentally challenged? Your told why the beta didn't look that good (Which it didn't) and yet you refuse point blank to accept it. That's all it boils down to at the end of the day. Simply refusing to accept the single solid fact so that you can continue to argue for argument's sake -.-[/quote] I don't remember seeing anything resembling the screenshots in this thread while I was playing the beta.... But yeah, you say the beta didn't look good. But everyone else here is saying it is the most realistic better than Gears of War most detailed graphics they have ever seen. Which is it?

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Flankenstein5150 It looks like a slightly updated version of something we have already played to death in Halo 2. Heck, it doesn't even really look better. It simply looks different. [/quote] Actually if you search YouTube for the Last Resort beta vid, you can see that it's VERY VERY different.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Flankenstein5150 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Avisan [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Flankenstein5150 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DrDeath13 I'm very objective. If it looked like crap, I'd say it looked like crap. It's just that it really does make Halo 2 look bad. Halo 2's colors look so bland and murky, and so much less detal than Halo 3. Like I said, I really don't know what people are expecting this game to be. Are you expecting it to look as good as the Starry Night TV spot?[/quote] With the enormous amount of hype that Bungie and Microsoft have generated and will continue to generate towards the game, people will probably expect something that is at the very least [i]comparable[/i] to the current graphical standards in the video game world(ie Unreal Engine 3, CryEngine2). Instead, gamers are stuck seeing something that is only marginally better than the previous game in the series that was also on a previous generation of consoles. [/quote] Uh, Flank? Did you see the E3 trailer? That was produced in-engine, in-game. The stuff on the opposite edge of the crater over 3 klicks away were actual in-game objects. THAT is Bungie's bar for the Halo 3 campaign. I love how people are trying to judge Halo 3's graphics based on its multiplayer. Multiplayer is for smooth, optimized performance. They're not going for pure graphical beauty.[/quote] Which would be another example of why anyone who doesn't possess the mentality of the lemmings who post on this forum is disappointed in how the game looks so far. The beta didn't look as good as the supposedly in game trailer looked and neither has anything that has been released since. It almost seems like the graphics in Halo 3 were made to compete with Source and the Doom 3 engine, both technologies that were released around the same time as Halo 2. You guys can try and rationalize being behind the curve in terms of graphics all you want. But the fact of the matter is that the bar has been set as high as possible for Halo 3 and when the final product is released it is going to be judged by the highest possible standards. And as it stands right now, the graphics don't reach that level. [/quote] I'm sorry, but there's one thing i REALLY don't get. Are you people seriously mentally challenged? Your told why the beta didn't look that good (Which it didn't) and yet you refuse point blank to accept it. That's all it boils down to at the end of the day. Simply refusing to accept the single solid fact so that you can continue to argue for argument's sake -.-

This little ps3 fanboi thinks video games with a 3-4 color palette and Bloom look good. Halo3 already looks better then Gears, Not better...more realistic. GoW and all these "Next-Gen" games have Bloom, and Bloom is a really stupid, overused, and -blam!- effect. Since when do trees glow? Since when does the Ground look like it's on fire, when it's not? And why the hell does stone have god like effects? Gears looked like it was just trying to whore graphics, by putting a bunch of un-realstic, colorless effects. Halo3 looks real, Like real life, no bloom, and it has tons of colors. Halo3 already looks amazing, If all these other game people want to whore graphics they can use Dark Effects, Low colors, and bloom.....I'm glad Bungie is making Halo3 look like Halo, and like Real life, not like Gears of Halo, or some whore.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HalfJawArbiter Yea Frankenstieno. Halo3 is in the Beta still and it looks hell of a lot better then Halo2. And the final game will look even better. And Halo3 Graphics already beat Gears of War, Halo3 has more then 4 colors used, No stupid bloom effects, and it's not all griddy and dark, Looks like real life, not a video game trying to surpass it.[/quote] I wouldn't say it looks BETTER, because there are still alot of rough/jagged edges that need to be polished out. Although, some of the textures are SUPER high resolution. In GoW, you can walk up and without zooming in, see the individual pixels (In some maps). But in the Beta, If you were to walk up to certain objects, (ie. Warthog, Ghost, Fuel Cells, some weapons) even in full zoom with the sniper, I was unable to see the pixels. So, the beta may not be as graphical as Gears of War, but it sure as hell will be in the final release

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Avisan [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Flankenstein5150 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DrDeath13 I'm very objective. If it looked like crap, I'd say it looked like crap. It's just that it really does make Halo 2 look bad. Halo 2's colors look so bland and murky, and so much less detal than Halo 3. Like I said, I really don't know what people are expecting this game to be. Are you expecting it to look as good as the Starry Night TV spot?[/quote] With the enormous amount of hype that Bungie and Microsoft have generated and will continue to generate towards the game, people will probably expect something that is at the very least [i]comparable[/i] to the current graphical standards in the video game world(ie Unreal Engine 3, CryEngine2). Instead, gamers are stuck seeing something that is only marginally better than the previous game in the series that was also on a previous generation of consoles. [/quote] Uh, Flank? Did you see the E3 trailer? That was produced in-engine, in-game. The stuff on the opposite edge of the crater over 3 klicks away were actual in-game objects. THAT is Bungie's bar for the Halo 3 campaign. I love how people are trying to judge Halo 3's graphics based on its multiplayer. Multiplayer is for smooth, optimized performance. They're not going for pure graphical beauty.[/quote] Which would be another example of why anyone who doesn't possess the mentality of the lemmings who post on this forum is disappointed in how the game looks so far. The beta didn't look as good as the supposedly in game trailer looked and neither has anything that has been released since. It almost seems like the graphics in Halo 3 were made to compete with Source and the Doom 3 engine, both technologies that were released around the same time as Halo 2. You guys can try and rationalize being behind the curve in terms of graphics all you want. But the fact of the matter is that the bar has been set as high as possible for Halo 3 and when the final product is released it is going to be judged by the highest possible standards. And as it stands right now, the graphics don't reach that level.

[url=http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/800/800896/halo-3-20070701092604686.jpg] the shadows are amazing!! [/url] halo 3 might not get artistic graphics of the year,but i can see it getting technical graphics of the year.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] omgwut Everyone is entitled to their opinion, I guess. I would say that that screenshot comparison isn't a very good one, because the image is centered for the most part on a segment of the map that there isn't much variety in. The overhead comparison makes Last Resort stand out much more, I think, as you can see the subtleties in things like the beach and the clouds, as well as all the little visual elements scattered here and there like loose cables and weather-worn roofing.[/quote] This kid has gone beyond stating his opininion. He acts as if bungie or microsoft betrayed him because he was expecting GOW visuals and they fell short of his idiotic standards. So he whines and whines and does nothing but blame bungie and make idiotic statements like this games graphical quality is just like Halo 2s. Right now Bungie is in there studio working hard on this game working 11+ hours (some above 12 hours and on weekends) a day and this kid is going to whine like they promised something they didn't. If Bungies reading this we want them to know they have our support.. hALO 3 looks great and it's campaign looks even better. Again there is always the fact gameplay is WAY more important then graphics. [quote]What some people say it looks like Halo 2.5 or not so good? Like its not as great as Gears. I'll just present some facts: -Gears has bigger characters, a lot bigger so they they can put more details or bigger details. -Gears has smaller maps so its easier to load them and play them. -Halo has big sized maps with PLENTY of details, small details everywhere. -The horizon in Halo is much bigger. -Halo has to stay Halo.[/quote] Additionally GOW runs only with 8 people so they can get away with higher res textures over MP. Additionally the explosions in GOW aren't that great compared to Halos. Additionally Halo 3 has way better lighting and shading effects and way better explosion graphical effects. Also cool graphical effects like snow foot prints. Most importantly GOWS high res don't exactly make it look more realistic then say a game like Halo 3. Infact it looks less realistic if you ask me. [Edited on 07.02.2007 12:29 PM PDT]

I dnt know if anyone has said this, but Last Resort isn't technically Zanzibar itself.

People, keep in mind that all of these images have been compressed so they don't take up as much bandwidth. This means quality loss. It'll look better in game. And honestly did some of you never look around during the beta? It looked great. EDIT: for example, look at the shadow of the broken wall in [url=http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/800/800896/halo-3-20070701092604686.jpg]this[/url] (looks blotchy) screenshot. That's because of the compression reducing the color count of the image. [Edited on 07.02.2007 12:25 PM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Im an Enigma [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Im an Enigma There's two screenshots of the beach like that, too. Gimme a bit... I'll find em....[/quote] Here we go. [url]http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/800/800896/halo-3-20070701092604686.jpg[/url] [url]http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/800/800896/halo-3-20070701092745919.jpg[/url][/quote] The water is prety impressive in that shot. I'd have to say, I don't think the graphical leap between Halo 2 and Halo 3 is greater than it was between Halo and Halo 2.. I'll have to wait and see when I can actually play the game in its finished state, but right now it looks like Bungie is really polishing and perfecting what they did right with the second game, instead of building up from what wasn't there in the first, graphically speaking. Its funny, the effect that time has on games. Zanzibar looks pretty ugly now, but everyone was going absolutely crazy over it back in 2004. [Edited on 07.02.2007 12:20 PM PDT]

This is MP it has to play well and look ok, campaign will be the big visual treat

What some people say it looks like Halo 2.5 or not so good? Like its not as great as Gears. I'll just present some facts: -Gears has bigger characters, a lot bigger so they they can put more details or bigger details. -Gears has smaller maps so its easier to load them and play them. -Halo has big sized maps with PLENTY of details, small details everywhere. -The horizon in Halo is much bigger. -Halo has to stay Halo. With all these in consideration, you can clearly say it's perfect the way it is. By the way Last Resort looks incredibly great

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Im an Enigma There's two screenshots of the beach like that, too. Gimme a bit... I'll find em....[/quote] Here we go. [url]http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/800/800896/halo-3-20070701092604686.jpg[/url] [url]http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/800/800896/halo-3-20070701092745919.jpg[/url]